Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

fire on the earth

61 posts in this topic

Posted · Report post

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
NASB

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited) · Report post

But

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

And

 

Ecc 1:4 KJV - One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

 

:noidea:

Edited by mevosper
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

and this

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

It's talking about judgment coming on the earth.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

But

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

And

 

Ecc 1:4 KJV - One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

 

:noidea:

Rev 21:1-3

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

NASB

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

It's talking about judgment coming on the earth.

 

has it not already come?

 

Jhn 5:22 KJV - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:27 KJV - And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jhn 9:39 KJV - And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Jhn 12:31 KJV - Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Jhn 16:8 KJV - And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:11 KJV - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

But

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

And

 

Ecc 1:4 KJV - One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

 

:noidea:

Rev 21:1-3

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

NASB

 

a conundrum   :hmmm:  :confused:

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

But

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

And

 

Ecc 1:4 KJV - One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

 

:noidea:

Rev 21:1-3

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

NASB

 

a conundrum   :hmmm:  :confused:

 

 

Depends on how you look at it...   the earth itself will be here and the foundations will not be removed for ever.....   he's just going to burn it and set it up again without any sea....    somewhat like I heard it was before the flood.    but with a new Jerusalem....   going to be very nice and huge...

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

Depends on how you look at it... 

looking has nothing to do with it, seeing is what counts

 

 

 

Jhn 9:39 KJV - And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

 

 

 

 

 

  the earth itself will be here and the foundations will not be removed for ever.....   he's just going to burn it and set it up again without any sea....    somewhat like I heard it was before the flood.    but with a new Jerusalem....   going to be very nice and huge...

maybe a coexistence

 
Isa 43:19 KJV - Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
1Jo 2:8 KJV - Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Jeremiah 5:14
14  Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold,

I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.
 

2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

simply don't see the connection... mevosper

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

It's talking about judgment coming on the earth.

 

has it not already come?

 

Jhn 5:22 KJV - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:27 KJV - And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jhn 9:39 KJV - And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Jhn 12:31 KJV - Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Jhn 16:8 KJV - And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:11 KJV - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

 

No, it hasn't come yet.  Jesus is talking about when judgment falls during the seals, trumpets and bowls of Revelation.  Man has not seen the full weight of God's judgment on this world, yet.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited) · Report post

simply don't see the connection... mevosper

 

 

 

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

 

=

 

Rev 19:20 KJV - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 KJV - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:14 KJV - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 KJV - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

 

A type and/or image of God's judgment:

 

Dan 3:25-26 KJV - He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
 
and
 
Gen 19:24 KJV - Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
 
but now
 
2Co 5:1-2 KJV - For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
 
and
 
1Ti 1:17 KJV - Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Rom 1:20 KJV - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

for

 

Luk 17:20-21 KJV - And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
Then and therefore
 
Heb 9:27 KJV - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Rev 20:11 KJV - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:15 KJV - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Edited by mevosper
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    that is the ultimate end of this time period......   after that there will be no time to measure.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    

Incorrect interpretation. The bible teaches this physical earth and heaven will be around forever:

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

and

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

So they won't be destroyed if they are decreed to last for ever. There is a coexistence. 

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    

Incorrect interpretation. The bible teaches this physical earth and heaven will be around forever:

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

and

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

So they won't be destroyed if they are decreed to last for ever. There is a coexistence. 

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

The Hebrew for "forever" doesn't mean, "for all eternity."  It means "the most distant time."  Essentially means 'till the end of the age.   There are a number of things in the Old Testament that are said to be "forever" like the Levitical sacrificial system, which is no longer around and will not be brought back again by the Lord.  The english word "forever" doesn't always do the Hebrew justice.

2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

2 Peter 3:8-13

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

NASB

 

 

 

shiloh covered the forever thing, but Peter is quite firm in what happens to our present earth and heaven.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    

Incorrect interpretation. The bible teaches this physical earth and heaven will be around forever:

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

and

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

So they won't be destroyed if they are decreed to last for ever. There is a coexistence. 

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

The Hebrew for "forever" doesn't mean, "for all eternity."  It means "the most distant time."  Essentially means 'till the end of the age.   There are a number of things in the Old Testament that are said to be "forever" like the Levitical sacrificial system, which is no longer around and will not be brought back again by the Lord.  The english word "forever" doesn't always do the Hebrew justice.

 

Psalm 148:6 KJV - He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

for ever: (Strongs HT5703)

I. perpetuity, for ever, continuing future

A. ancient (of past time)

B. for ever (of future time)

i. of continuous existence

C. for ever (of God's existence)

 

used 49x in the KJV

- ever: 41x

- everlasting: 2x

- end: 1x

- eternity: 1x

- ever (with H5769): 1x

- evermore (1x)

- old (1x)

- perpetually (1x)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5703&t=KJV

 

In Psalm 148:6, looks like it means for ever.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Jeremiah 5:14

14  Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold,

I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

:thumbsup:

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

 

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    

Incorrect interpretation. The bible teaches this physical earth and heaven will be around forever:

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

and

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

So they won't be destroyed if they are decreed to last for ever. There is a coexistence. 

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

The Hebrew for "forever" doesn't mean, "for all eternity."  It means "the most distant time."  Essentially means 'till the end of the age.   There are a number of things in the Old Testament that are said to be "forever" like the Levitical sacrificial system, which is no longer around and will not be brought back again by the Lord.  The english word "forever" doesn't always do the Hebrew justice.

 

Psalm 148:6 KJV - He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

for ever: (Strongs HT5703)

I. perpetuity, for ever, continuing future

A. ancient (of past time)

B. for ever (of future time)

i. of continuous existence

C. for ever (of God's existence)

 

used 49x in the KJV

- ever: 41x

- everlasting: 2x

- end: 1x

- eternity: 1x

- ever (with H5769): 1x

- evermore (1x)

- old (1x)

- perpetually (1x)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5703&t=KJV

 

In Psalm 148:6, looks like it means for ever.

 

You really should listen to Shiloh...    Sometimes we use words like that but the cultural context really doesn't mean the exact meaning of the word.    In taking the word at face value, you can cause contradictions in the word that some people use to say it's not Gods word.

If you really want to do that I guess I do not have the authority to say you can't.......

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

What is meant by this? 

 

Luk 12:49 KJV - I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

 

The answer is found in the following verses.

 

Luke 12:49-53

“I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

The fire speaks of our love to Him and His to us. This will, and does, bring division within a family who are divided in their faith.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

 

 

ultimately the heavens and the earth will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt for Gods followers....    

Incorrect interpretation. The bible teaches this physical earth and heaven will be around forever:

 

Psa 104:5 KJV - Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

 

and

 

Psa 148:1-6 KJV - Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

- Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
- Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
- Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
- Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
- He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

So they won't be destroyed if they are decreed to last for ever. There is a coexistence. 

 

 

 that is the ultimate end of this time period......   

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

The Hebrew for "forever" doesn't mean, "for all eternity."  It means "the most distant time."  Essentially means 'till the end of the age.   There are a number of things in the Old Testament that are said to be "forever" like the Levitical sacrificial system, which is no longer around and will not be brought back again by the Lord.  The english word "forever" doesn't always do the Hebrew justice.

 

Psalm 148:6 KJV - He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

 

for ever: (Strongs HT5703)

I. perpetuity, for ever, continuing future

A. ancient (of past time)

B. for ever (of future time)

i. of continuous existence

C. for ever (of God's existence)

 

used 49x in the KJV

- ever: 41x

- everlasting: 2x

- end: 1x

- eternity: 1x

- ever (with H5769): 1x

- evermore (1x)

- old (1x)

- perpetually (1x)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5703&t=KJV

 

In Psalm 148:6, looks like it means for ever.

 

Yeah this is what happens when people depend on Strong's concordance.  Strong's Concordance is an exhaustive work, not an analytical work.  If you notice in the definitions you give from Strong's dictionary,  not all of them are the same.  Old doesn't mean the same as perpetual.   Strong's gives you all of the possible definitions available, but it doesn't tell you which definition apply to which verse. 

 

In addition, "forever" in Hebrew only applies to the current age and doesn't apply to the world to come in the strictest sense.  There are all kinds of "forevers" used in the Bible that simply refer to the time we have here on  earth.

 

The verse you cite from Psalms is a good example of this.  Psalm 148:6 is talking about the sun and the moon and the stars and physical heavens, which we KNOW from Scripture will not last forever into the New Heaven and New Earth.    At some point everything in this universe will pass away and God is going to renovate the whole thing and it will be something that we have no point of reference for in this day and age.

 

So even in the verse you cite, "forever" doesn't mean "for all eternity."

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

just try to find out can i still be permitted to speak

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

just try to find out can i still be permitted to speak

I hope so....

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0