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I know many of us believe the rule of antichrist and satan after the abomination of desolation will be global (world wide) which obviously includes the USA, Australia, Canada, Japan, China, New Zealand, Greenland.....you get my point.

For a long time I have shaken my head and said to myself, "Spock, I don't think so!" (Yeah, I talk to myself like that.

"All" or "everyone" or "the whole world" doesn't necessarily have to mean that.

Could it mean something else, something less than ALL as we know it?

Does the bible always mean ALL when it says ALL?

Please please read this link. It is not long, but very informative. I'm sure you know where I am going.

We can discuss this and add to it, but first, please read the link.

http://www.sevenempires.com/prophecy/the_middle_east.htm

Okay, now, let me have what you are thinking.

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I know many of us believe the rule of antichrist and satan after the abomination of desolation will be global (world wide) which obviously includes the USA, Australia, Canada, Japan, China, New Zealand, Greenland.....you get my point.

For a long time I have shaken my head and said to myself, "Spock, I don't think so!" (Yeah, I talk to myself like that.

"All" or "everyone" or "the whole world" doesn't necessarily have to mean that.

Could it mean something else, something less than ALL as we know it?

Does the bible always mean ALL when it says ALL?

Please please read this link. It is not long, but very informative. I'm sure you know where I am going.

We can discuss this and add to it, but first, please read the link.

http://www.sevenempires.com/prophecy/the_middle_east.htm

Okay, now, let me have what you are thinking.

Spock here

 

Ok, Spock. I've read the link. It's interesting because some time ago I started a thread on exactly this subject "does the Whole World mean the Whole World?" I can't find it but it must be in the archives somewhere.

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Actually, I've found it under a different name from what I remember. It was kind of hijacked anyway, so it's good that you have started another thread on this subject.

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Oak wood,

So now we all should know by this one simple little link that ALL doesn't have to mean EVERY SINGLE NATION OR PERSON.

If this is correct, The implications of this are far reaching.

This changes things for me the way I see end times prophecy.

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Oak wood,

So now we all should know by this one simple little link that ALL doesn't have to mean EVERY SINGLE NATION OR PERSON.

If this is correct, The implications of this are far reaching.

This changes things for me the way I see end times prophecy.

 

I agree with you (possibly). It's certainly worth considering.  There is also the other possibility (a compromise) that the whole World is affected but mainly as bystanders. Only the Middle East bears the full brunt of the Trib.

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Oak wood,

So now we all should know by this one simple little link that ALL doesn't have to mean EVERY SINGLE NATION OR PERSON.

If this is correct, The implications of this are far reaching.

This changes things for me the way I see end times prophecy.

a reason not to trust the Bible to mean what it says in modern language...

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Even if it is Global, can it really affect every corner of the Earth - even wilderness areas?

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Even if it is Global, can it really affect every corner of the Earth - even wilderness areas?

Do you think someone actually cares about what the people of Iceland or the aborigines of Papua, New Guinea are doing?

Also, it seems the antichrist is involved in all kinds of battles during his reign (King of the north and king of the south come after him according to Daniel 11:40). This sounds like not everyone is feeling the love for the faker.

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Even if it is Global, can it really affect every corner of the Earth - even wilderness areas?

Do you think someone actually cares about what the people of Iceland or the aborigines of Papua, New Guinea are doing?

Also, it seems the antichrist is involved in all kinds of battles during his reign (King of the north and king of the south come after him according to Daniel 11:40). This sounds like not everyone is feeling the love for the faker.

 

 

Maybe there's hope after all if other nations refuse to fall for his lies.

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I realized this, this past year, as like you Spock, this really affected, not only my view on 'end-times', but yes, as OtherOne mentions, the modern translations, thus, my whole belief in the 'inerrant word of God' (based on translation) Darn, I wish  I could read greek and hebrew!

 

However,,,IF the 'whole world' really only means the 'known world' at that particular point in time, then things may actually be much further along than they would appear to us in the West. We are much more at a disadvantage due to our lack of understanding Eastern culture, Jewish traditions/Holy days (who else has said 'Why wasnt  I ever taught that?!!!), the rich History,  and of course we got all that man-made doctrines dabbled in.

Nevertheless,

I fully trust in Him.

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Try this one out...

Luke 2:1. Notice some translations have the word Roman in it. Most don't. Does that surprise you? If you research the Greek, you won't see ROMAN in there. ( I couldn't find it.). So why do some translations add this?

I'm not telling you.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-1.htm

http://biblehub.com/text/luke/2-1.htm

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Try this one out...

Luke 2:1. Notice some translations have the word Roman in it. Most don't. Does that surprise you? If you research the Greek, you won't see ROMAN in there. ( I couldn't find it.). So why do some translations add this?

I'm not telling you.

http://biblehub.com/luke/2-1.htm

http://biblehub.com/text/luke/2-1.htm

 

???? Odd.

 

But I did notice that if you use the same site to check the book of Revelation chapter 13 the Greek word is different. References to the Beast ruling the World is the Greek word(s) for 'Earth'. Whereas in Luke 2:1 the Greek word translates as 'inhabited World'.

That suggests to me that the End Times reign of the Beast does refer to the entire Earth and not the Roman world as mentioned in Luke.

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The possibilities are many. I have been flirting with some really extravagant ideas that if proved true would turn out rather interesting. I don't voice them much because I have thought I had it all figured out before and proved wrong. Either way it is getting weirder by the day.

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The possibilities are many. I have been flirting with some really extravagant ideas that if proved true would turn out rather interesting. I don't voice them much because I have thought I had it all figured out before and proved wrong. Either way it is getting weirder by the day.

I hear ya, bro.

I may think I have figure something out, but six months from now, guess what? My thoughts have evolved! Ha

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same word is used in Matthew 24:14 where it says that the Gospel will be preached unto all the world....    same Greek word.    So are we going to change doctrine as to who is going to be preached to.

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Try this one out...

Luke 2:1. Notice some translations have the word Roman in it. Most don't. Does that surprise you? If you research the Greek, you won't see ROMAN in there. ( I couldn't find it.). So why do some translations add this?

I'm not telling you.http://biblehub.com/luke/2-1.htmhttp://biblehub.com/text/luke/2-1.htm

???? Odd.

But I did notice that if you use the same site to check the book of Revelation chapter 13 the Greek word is different. References to the Beast ruling the World is the Greek word(s) for 'Earth'. Whereas in Luke 2:1 the Greek word translates as 'inhabited World'.

That suggests to me that the End Times reign of the Beast does refer to the entire Earth and not the Roman world as mentioned in Luke.

Here is what Oak was referencing. Draw your own conclusions friends.

http://biblehub.com/text/revelation/13-3.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/1093.htm

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same word is used in Matthew 24:14 where it says that the Gospel will be preached unto all the world....    same Greek word.    So are we going to change doctrine as to who is going to be preached to.

I'm not telling you or anyone what to think or what conclusions to draw. Everyone has to do their own homework and figure it out for themselves. It's worth more to you that way, not when someone spoon feeds it to you.

Can't you tell I'm a teacher.

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same word is used in Matthew 24:14 where it says that the Gospel will be preached unto all the world....    same Greek word.    So are we going to change doctrine as to who is going to be preached to.

I'm not telling you or anyone what to think or what conclusions to draw. Everyone has to do their own homework and figure it out for themselves. It's worth more to you that way, not when someone spoon feeds it to you.

Can't you tell I'm a teacher.

 

 

I am chewing as I read this? Would you like me to spit it out?

 

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I have been learning that splitting hairs over the use of one word over another is truly a fruitless endavor. I have been studying the English language and doing comparison/contrast to other languages only to find that the dynamics of the Ebglish language give us more ways to say the exact same thing using wotds that look and sound completely different.

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I have been learning that splitting hairs over the use of one word over another is truly a fruitless endavor. I have been studying the English language and doing comparison/contrast to other languages only to find that the dynamics of the Ebglish language give us more ways to say the exact same thing using wotds that look and sound completely different.

Paraphrasing.......    most people I talk with don't like that in a Bible.

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same word is used in Matthew 24:14 where it says that the Gospel will be preached unto all the world....    same Greek word.    So are we going to change doctrine as to who is going to be preached to.

I'm not telling you or anyone what to think or what conclusions to draw. Everyone has to do their own homework and figure it out for themselves. It's worth more to you that way, not when someone spoon feeds it to you.

Can't you tell I'm a teacher.

 

:thumbsup:

 

lol

 

The Gospel Spelled Out For All To Hear

 

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:6-7

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Rev 13:6-9

7 And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. 8 And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

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sounds like the same group of people to me Joe...

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I have been learning that splitting hairs over the use of one word over another is truly a fruitless endavor. I have been studying the English language and doing comparison/contrast to other languages only to find that the dynamics of the Ebglish language give us more ways to say the exact same thing using wotds that look and sound completely different.

Paraphrasing....... most people I talk with don't like that in a Bible.

Strange to me. Jesus spoke in parables to teach but yet people get touchy if you use paraphrase. Paraphrases can be found in the bible itself yet people will not accept paraphrasing.

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I have been learning that splitting hairs over the use of one word over another is truly a fruitless endavor. I have been studying the English language and doing comparison/contrast to other languages only to find that the dynamics of the Ebglish language give us more ways to say the exact same thing using wotds that look and sound completely different.

Paraphrasing....... most people I talk with don't like that in a Bible.

Strange to me. Jesus spoke in parables to teach but yet people get touchy if you use paraphrase. Paraphrases can be found in the bible itself yet people will not accept paraphrasing.

 

 

It depends what you mean by a paraphrase. I see a paraphrase as a honest attempt to repeat the meaning of what somebody as said before but it's not an exact quote because it's not identical 'word for word'.

 

One of the most famous Biblical paraphrases is "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" but it's a honest paraphrase because it does not change what the meaning of the original quote in the slightest.

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I know many of us believe the rule of antichrist and satan after the abomination of desolation will be global (world wide) which obviously includes the USA, Australia, Canada, Japan, China, New Zealand, Greenland.....you get my point.

For a long time I have shaken my head and said to myself, "Spock, I don't think so!" (Yeah, I talk to myself like that.

"All" or "everyone" or "the whole world" doesn't necessarily have to mean that.

Could it mean something else, something less than ALL as we know it?

Does the bible always mean ALL when it says ALL?

Please please read this link. It is not long, but very informative. I'm sure you know where I am going.

We can discuss this and add to it, but first, please read the link.

http://www.sevenempires.com/prophecy/the_middle_east.htm

Okay, now, let me have what you are thinking.

Spock here

 

1 Peter 2:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

 

According to these verses, I'd say that we should not talk bad about any empire.  Authority is God given.  We must not question it.  Turn your brain off if that's what it takes.

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