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Didn't mean to stick my nose in this, but I thought magog war was during tribulation, if so doesn't rapture come before tribulation.

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Didn't mean to stick my nose in this, but I thought magog war was during tribulation, if so doesn't rapture come before tribulation.

 

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I Believe The First Resurrection

 

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;

 

and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Revelation 20:4-7

 

Comes As Jesus Is

 

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 

To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jude 1:14-16

 

Descending To

 

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

 

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

 

Zion Town

 

Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

 

The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

 

In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

 

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:14-17

 

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But Beloved Either Way, I Believe In The Resurrection

 

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

 

And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

 

Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Job 19:25-27

 

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I stand on Mark 13:32 (KJV) in RED letters.  "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

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I stand on Mark 13:32 (KJV) in RED letters.  "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Sounds good to me.  :thumbsup:

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Didn't mean to stick my nose in this, but I thought magog war was during tribulation, if so doesn't rapture come before tribulation.

Pre-trib scholars teach that the rapture comes before the tribulation. That's great if you like going far out on a limb, but I wouldn't count on it. If you stretch a balloon far enough, eventually it's gonna pop.

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

Not the Gog/Magog war per Ezekiel 38/39.

I do believe Gog war to follow the psalm 83 war.

I also definitely believe the psalm 83 war will be much earlier than the beginning of Daniels 70th week. I think this is the easy one.

As for the Gog war, I'm not as dogmatic about the timing of this. I know it says it will take 7 years to bury all the weapons, so this leads me to believe this also has to occur before Daniel 70th week commences. But like I said, I can't be dogmatic. That seven years could extend into the 70th week, or possibly begin in the week. I'm not sure yet.

I also believe in order for Israel to rebuild their temple and commence sacrifices, the adjacent enemy nations have to be subdued. When this happens, thinking out loud, the antichrist may step forward and be the calm voice needed to calm everyone's fears. Don't forget, nuclear power will be exhibited, over Damascus for sure according to Isaiah 17.

I'm thinking that the psalm 83 war may be the event that triggers the rise of the antichrist, instead of the Gog war. Again, not being dogmatic on this either.

I'd love any feedback or rebuttals. As you know, I don't bite, and I never make you think I know more than you.

In love,

Spock

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

Not the Gog/Magog war per Ezekiel 38/39.

I do believe Gog war to follow the psalm 83 war.

I also definitely believe the psalm 83 war will be much earlier than the beginning of Daniels 70th week. I think this is the easy one.

As for the Gog war, I'm not as dogmatic about the timing of this. I know it says it will take 7 years to bury all the weapons, so this leads me to believe this also has to occur before Daniel 70th week commences. But like I said, I can't be dogmatic. That seven years could extend into the 70th week, or possibly begin in the week. I'm not sure yet.

I also believe in order for Israel to rebuild their temple and commence sacrifices, the adjacent enemy nations have to be subdued. When this happens, thinking out loud, the antichrist may step forward and be the calm voice needed to calm everyone's fears. Don't forget, nuclear power will be exhibited, over Damascus for sure according to Isaiah 17.

I'm thinking that the psalm 83 war may be the event that triggers the rise of the antichrist, instead of the Gog war. Again, not being dogmatic on this either.

I'd love any feedback or rebuttals. As you know, I don't bite, and I never make you think I know more than you.

In love,

Spock

 

Feedback or rebuttals? I can't give you any, because I tend to agree with just about everything you said here.

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Oak wood,

Well, okay, I'm not surprised, we seem to be pretty similar in our interpretations. Rolling thunder and other one seem to be similar too.

But then we have my girl from Australia who has a perspective that is pretty interesting and diverse (along with inchrist). I can't wait to read their "contemporary" thoughts on the Psalm 83 and Gog Wars. I'm not sure about the new kid on the block, Paradox (cool name).

As for Salty, your guess is as good as mine on what he is thinking. Lol

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

Not the Gog/Magog war per Ezekiel 38/39.

I do believe Gog war to follow the psalm 83 war.

I also definitely believe the psalm 83 war will be much earlier than the beginning of Daniels 70th week. I think this is the easy one.

As for the Gog war, I'm not as dogmatic about the timing of this. I know it says it will take 7 years to bury all the weapons, so this leads me to believe this also has to occur before Daniel 70th week commences. But like I said, I can't be dogmatic. That seven years could extend into the 70th week, or possibly begin in the week. I'm not sure yet.

I also believe in order for Israel to rebuild their temple and commence sacrifices, the adjacent enemy nations have to be subdued. When this happens, thinking out loud, the antichrist may step forward and be the calm voice needed to calm everyone's fears. Don't forget, nuclear power will be exhibited, over Damascus for sure according to Isaiah 17.

I'm thinking that the psalm 83 war may be the event that triggers the rise of the antichrist, instead of the Gog war. Again, not being dogmatic on this either.

I'd love any feedback or rebuttals. As you know, I don't bite, and I never make you think I know more than you.

In love,

Spock

 

Compare Ps.83 with 2 Chronicles 20. Psalms 83 was a psalm by Asaph, of whom Jahaziel (a son of Aspah) was probably the originating source.

 

No doubt Ps.83 has a connection with the future ten kingdoms destruction for the end of this world, which actually is connected with how the armies of Gog-Magog are defeated, not by us, but by our Heavenly Father Himself. The Ezek.38 nation list would still supersede the Ps.83 list of nations though.

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Salty,

Totally different countries.

Psalm 83 - all adjacent to Israel Arab countries basically.

Ezekiel 38- all countries away from Israel, like Russia, Iran, Ethiopia, Libya, etc.

I'm surprised you think this is related to the 10 toes from Daniel. Seems like a huge stretch to me.

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Salty,

Totally different countries.

Psalm 83 - all adjacent to Israel Arab countries basically.

Ezekiel 38- all countries away from Israel, like Russia, Iran, Ethiopia, Libya, etc.

I'm surprised you think this is related to the 10 toes from Daniel. Seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

I agree there's some differences between the nation lists, but 2 Chron.20 is what Ps.83 points to, but the event in 2 Chron.20 of God fighting the battle, and not Israel, points directly to the final battle of this world, which is Armageddon and Gog/Magog.

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Salty,

Totally different countries.

Psalm 83 - all adjacent to Israel Arab countries basically.

Ezekiel 38- all countries away from Israel, like Russia, Iran, Ethiopia, Libya, etc.

I'm surprised you think this is related to the 10 toes from Daniel. Seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

I agree there's some differences between the nation lists, but 2 Chron.20 is what Ps.83 points to, but the event in 2 Chron.20 of God fighting the battle, and not Israel, points directly to the final battle of this world, which is Armageddon and Gog/Magog.

So, let me get this straight-

Do you believe psalm 83, Ezekiel 38, and Armageddon are all one and in the same war?

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So, let me get this straight-

Do you believe psalm 83, Ezekiel 38, and Armageddon are all one and in the same war?

 

 

No, I believe the events in Ps.83 were history, but as a 'type' also point to the final battle of this present world.

 

Zeph 3:8-9

8    Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9    For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.

(KJV)

 

 

Note especially the timing of the below Ezek.39 events in relation to Rev.19...

 

Ezek 39:17-27

17    And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to My sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18    Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19    And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20    Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21    And I will set My glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see My judgment that I have executed, and My hand that I have laid upon them.

22    So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23    And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against Me, therefore hid I My face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24    According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid My face from them.

25    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My holy name;

26    After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against Me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27    When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

(KJV)

Rev 19:17-18

17    And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18    That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

(KJV)

 

Ezek 38:22-23

22    And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23    Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

(KJV)

Rev 16:20-21

20    And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21    And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

(KJV)

 

According to those Scriptures, I don't see how anyone could miss... that the Armageddon and Gog-Magog events are the same event to occur at Christ's coming.

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The Bible details precisely from the war that will be occurred in the end of times in the Middle-East, when a certain countries attack against Israel. I believe that what kind of point of view and attitude nations of the world has regarding to the word of the Bible, and Israel will decide their fate in the Last Days. Regardless of it that does you believe the Bible or not you should know that what the Bible teaches about the end of times.

 

The whole article is here:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/lastdaysgreatwarinmiddleeast.html

Hi PetriFB

 

This is what I have understood from the scriptures in piecing them together.

There are two great battles occuring at two different times.

The first great battle is when all the armies gather at Armageddon to make war with the lamb.

but before they assemble there together in that one place called Armageddon, those armies will invade Israel to fight each other.

The vision given to John shows first the 6th trumpet containing all those armies coming in to Israel (rev 9:16)

The 6th vial vision shows the Kings of the east (east of Jerusalem) Iran and his allies crossing in to Israel through the dried up river euphrates (rev 16:12)

This is all happening around the same time.

So obviously this war starts off with the Kings of the east (muslem nations) invading Israel, and then all the other armies come in to defend, not Israel, but their new occupiers..

Each nation will pick their side, and obviously the muslem nations will stick together.

The war will start, but will be cut short by Christ or else no flesh would be saved (Mark 13:20)

This would be Christ's appearing in the sky that would stop that war and baffle all those soldiers fighting.  Can you imagine the sky being black from all the smoke, then all of a sudden the sky is lit bright, because the lamb and his heavenly armies have come as prophesied.

But the armies below do not know it's Christ (for they don't believe in him, or know the scriptures) so all of them there join forces and reposition into Armageddon to become one great army, to fight the lamb together with all their technology and weaponry.

 

The false prophet and the beast (occupiers of Israel) will be thrown into the lake of fire.  Babylon will be no more.

Satan will be bound for a thousand years. During this time, Christ will set his kingdom up on earth and will rule with his saints.

The earth will be at peace for a thousand years, no more wars.

After the 1000 years Satan will be let loose, and they will surround to attack the holy camp (the kingdom area)  This is called the battle of Gog and Magog.  A different battle, the last battle.  But they will not kill a single soul in the kingdom area, except turn against each other.  They will be destroyed by God himself.  This prophecy is way way into the future, and will be the last days of those days.  This is what I understand.

 

God bless.

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The Bible details precisely from the war that will be occurred in the end of times in the Middle-East, when a certain countries attack against Israel. I believe that what kind of point of view and attitude nations of the world has regarding to the word of the Bible, and Israel will decide their fate in the Last Days. Regardless of it that does you believe the Bible or not you should know that what the Bible teaches about the end of times.

 

The whole article is here:

http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/lastdaysgreatwarinmiddleeast.html

Hi PetriFB

 

This is what I have understood from the scriptures in piecing them together.

There are two great battles occuring at two different times.

The first great battle is when all the armies gather at Armageddon to make war with the lamb.

but before they assemble there together in that one place called Armageddon, those armies will invade Israel to fight each other.

The vision given to John shows first the 6th trumpet containing all those armies coming in to Israel (rev 9:16)

 

The 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period of Rev.9 is what you're talking about. That is not about a literal military army and literal war. It is about spiritual warfare.

 

That's the locust army God first warned about back in the Book of Joel, and He called it "My great army which I sent among you" (Joel 2:25). That Rev.9:16 army is the same locusts covered earlier in that chapter back at Rev.9:3-10, which are commanded to not hurt "the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree." They are only allowed to 'sting' those men who are not sealed with God's seal, and told not to kill them.

 

The later Rev.9:17-19 reveals their power is in their MOUTHS, not with literal weapons of war.

 

Our Lord Jesus was giving us symbols for how the locusts (which are a certain group of men) will spiritually attack the deceived for the last days. This is why that 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period continues all the way into the Rev.11 chapter where the final 7th trumpet - 3rd woe period is revealed. Within that 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period God's two witnesses appear in Jerusalem and prophesy for 1260 days (the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week"). That is the "great tribulation" time when they do that prophesying in Jerusalem, and then are killed at the end of that 1260 days.

 

In Matt.24 our Lord Jesus revealed the end just prior to His return will not be a time of wars and rumours of wars, but just the opposite, a time of peace. He said we will hear of wars and rumours of wars, but don't be troubled, for the end is not yet. So as long as wars are going on, the tribulation is not yet. This aligns with what Apostle Paul showed in 1 Thess.5 about the deceived declaring a time of "Peace and safety". That's the kind of event the Antichrist is to create upon the earth for the tribulation, a time of world peace, as per the Dan.8:25 prophecy, with craft prospering by his hand.

 

I hate that so many have gotten duped by not understanding Rev.9 is not about Armageddon but the coming spiritual war during the great tribulation. Men's doctrines from certain religious organizations have come up with that all out war doctrine for Rev.9 when anyone taking time to actually read and think about the symbols our Lord Jesus gave there, will begin to understand it's about spiritual warfare against Satan and his host the locusts (men). A study in the Book of Joel also reveals how silly their doctrines on Rev.9 are, showing those who preach it that are supposed to know The Word of God in reality reveals they haven't done their own homework in it.

 

How many Church organizations today with headquarters somewhere else send their preachers printed Church Quarterlies to preach out of, instead of directly within God's Word as written? NO WONDER so many false doctrines of men get started in today's Churches!

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

 

Hey Spock

 

I really enjoyed Marilyn's post 152 in the Superpowers thread in "Eschatology"

 

 

I believe Marilyn is correct, the Psalm 83 war was most likely already fulfilled in 1967. Do you think that's possible?

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

 

Hey Spock

 

I really enjoyed Marilyn's post 152 in the Superpowers thread in "Eschatology"

 

 

I believe Marilyn is correct, the Psalm 83 war was most likely already fulfilled in 1967. Do you think that's possible?

 

 

Some people think that Psalm 83 was fulfilled in 1967 during the Six-day War. I'm not so sure about that.

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Did you look at the link? Marilyn puts forward a good argument. The nations of the 1967 war match Psalm 83 perfectly, as does the result of that war. I particularly enjoy the match between the Edomite's tents and the Palestinian refugees. Not that they took a big role in the actual war but they were allied to the instigators, and they were one of the contributing factors to that war and so would warrant prophetic mention.

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Did you look at the link? Marilyn puts forward a good argument. The nations of the 1967 war match Psalm 83 perfectly, as does the result of that war. I particularly enjoy the match between the Edomite's tents and the Palestinian refugees. Not that they took a big role in the actual war but they were allied to the instigators, and they were one of the contributing factors to that war and so would warrant prophetic mention.

 

It's possible, I can almost buy it. It just doesn't explain why these nations are not in Ezekiel 38 though, unless Isaiah can give us the answers..

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Did you look at the link? Marilyn puts forward a good argument. The nations of the 1967 war match Psalm 83 perfectly, as does the result of that war. I particularly enjoy the match between the Edomite's tents and the Palestinian refugees. Not that they took a big role in the actual war but they were allied to the instigators, and they were one of the contributing factors to that war and so would warrant prophetic mention.

 

It's possible, I can almost buy it. It just doesn't explain why these nations are not in Ezekiel 38 though, unless Isaiah can give us the answers..

 

 

 

I believe the immediate countries will be allied to the Jewish antichrist. He will rule over them for the 42 months of his power. Those countries that attack the Jewish antichrist will be from further afield.

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Did you look at the link? Marilyn puts forward a good argument. The nations of the 1967 war match Psalm 83 perfectly, as does the result of that war. I particularly enjoy the match between the Edomite's tents and the Palestinian refugees. Not that they took a big role in the actual war but they were allied to the instigators, and they were one of the contributing factors to that war and so would warrant prophetic mention.

 

It's possible, I can almost buy it. It just doesn't explain why these nations are not in Ezekiel 38 though, unless Isaiah can give us the answers..

 

 

 

I believe the immediate countries will be allied to the Jewish antichrist. He will rule over them for the 42 months of his power. Those countries that attack the Jewish antichrist will be from further afield.

 

 

I've just been having a good look at Psalm 83 and comparing it with what I know about the 1967 war. I think you might be right. I could be changing my mind about Psalm 83 being a fulfilled prophecy.

However, I don't commit to new ideas straight away. I going to have to sleep on this.

Further investigation is warranted. I need to study it a bit more. There are still a few unanswered questions.

It may be worth starting a new thread devoted entirely to this - "Psalm 83 - fulfilled or yet to come?"

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Did you look at the link? Marilyn puts forward a good argument. The nations of the 1967 war match Psalm 83 perfectly, as does the result of that war. I particularly enjoy the match between the Edomite's tents and the Palestinian refugees. Not that they took a big role in the actual war but they were allied to the instigators, and they were one of the contributing factors to that war and so would warrant prophetic mention.

 

It's possible, I can almost buy it. It just doesn't explain why these nations are not in Ezekiel 38 though, unless Isaiah can give us the answers..

 

 

 

I believe the immediate countries will be allied to the Jewish antichrist. He will rule over them for the 42 months of his power. Those countries that attack the Jewish antichrist will be from further afield.

 

 

I've just been having a good look at Psalm 83 and comparing it with what I know about the 1967 war. I think you might be right. I could be changing my mind about Psalm 83 being a fulfilled prophecy.

However, I don't commit to new ideas straight away. I going to have to sleep on this.

Further investigation is warranted. I need to study it a bit more. There are still a few unanswered questions.

It may be worth starting a new thread devoted entirely to this - "Psalm 83 - fulfilled or yet to come?"

 

 

Me too, I haven't fully embraced the idea yet, but it looks right.

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

Hey Spock

 

I really enjoyed Marilyn's post 152 in the Superpowers thread in "Eschatology"

 

 

I believe Marilyn is correct, the Psalm 83 war was most likely already fulfilled in 1967. Do you think that's possible?

Not at all. Read the psalm again, not fulfilled.

This should settle it-

17May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;

may they perish in disgrace.

18Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord—

that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

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Fellow seekers,

I just found this thread, so I do have a thought I would like to share. This thought has been stated very succinctly by brother Enoch 2021 (where is this guy, I miss him), and this is what I think too:

The Psalm 83 war has not been fulfilled in history, this is yet to come. Because these nations border Israel, it makes perfect sense to me that this war will be the NEXT great calamity that has to occur in the Middle East.

Hey Spock

 

I really enjoyed Marilyn's post 152 in the Superpowers thread in "Eschatology"

 

 

I believe Marilyn is correct, the Psalm 83 war was most likely already fulfilled in 1967. Do you think that's possible?

Not at all. Read the psalm again, not fulfilled.

This should settle it-

17May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;

may they perish in disgrace.

18Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord—

that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

 

 

Good point, but think about, how can someone who perishes immediately, be ever ashamed and dismayed?  The implication is that they have time to think about what happened until the day they die. When they die, they perish in disgrace.  In my eyes that is what will happen to all the Islamic  leaders involved in that war, they will be ashamed of their loss, and when they die it will be in disgrace, not as proud conquerors. 

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Hi All,

 

So glad you are all having a closer look at Ps. 83 & the 6 day war.

 

Now Spock,

 

Have you read about Prophetic Perspective. Not dual meaning. I gave an example on another thread. It is where God talks about one event & then another event but there is a great time between each. This is what is happening in Ps. 83: 16 - 18. The Lord is saying the out come of the war on Israel`s enemies & then He moves on to the eventual final outcome. We do this in our everyday conversations too.

 

Here is a very clear example of this Prophetic Perspective. In Isaiah 61: 1 & 2 we read -

 

`The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me.......To proclaim the favourable year of the Lord. & the Day of vengeance of our God.`

 

Then we go over to Luke 4: 18 - 21 & find that the Lord only reads part of that scripture from Isaiah in the synagogue. He says it is fulfilled but He didn`t read the last part of the sentence - `& the Day of vengeance of our God.` Why? because obviously that hasn`t been fulfilled yet. It is the same with many scriptures in God`s word where God talks about an event then moves on many years to the conclusion.

 

 

Hope that helps in understanding that principle in God`s word & for understanding Ps. 83 In relation to the 6 day war.

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