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I personally find the King James Bible to be error filled.  I don't believe this way, because of any study, but because the Holy Spirit has pointed out errors as I have read that translation.
 
Personally it does not make much difference to me what bible I read, because Jesus/Holy Spirit will give me the correct meaning of any verse.

Wow and I thought The Holy Spirit gave us this responsibility:
2 Tim 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
KJV

As I understand it God gives me the responsibility to study and then upon that
obedience His Holy Spirit guides me into the truth that will never pass away...
Love, Steven

 
Study?  What do you study?  Do you study some other persons understanding of God/God’s written Word? 
 
If you study someone else’s understanding about God, then you are just making an assumption he or she had the correct understanding, is that not right?
 
The only way one can come to know God is to allow God to teach him or her.  Do you believe you/or anyone else is a better teacher then God?
 
(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

Edited by OneLight, 28 June 2014 - 07:48 PM.
no need to holler ...

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Study?  What do you study?  Do you study some other persons understanding of God/God’s written Word?

The Word of God is a directive to us as to life and how to live it here in the death...
so by reliance on God's Spirit through teachers I learn the miracle of knowing God and
what He wants from me as His individual for a collective purpose of His Glory...
Eph 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting
of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and
of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the
measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we
henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning
craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the
truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head,
even Christ:
KJV


 

If you study someone else’s understanding about God, then you are just making an assumption he or she had the correct understanding, is that not right?

By the above verse and testing the spirit of all messages that is given me by The Word I am
lead by God The Holy Spirit into all truth... it is a work of prayer and searching with all
of the mind, heart and strength and I never give up for in it is life to me... Plus as I do
as His Word instructs me I also have God's blessed promise of finding:
Jer 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord,
thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and
I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when
ye shall search for me with all your heart.
KJV


 

The only way one can come to know God is to allow God to teach him or her.  Do you believe you/or anyone else is a better teacher then God?

This is a novice understanding as the whole council of God tells us to utilize His Word on the how of everything.
You have completely ignored what God says through Paul of how God expects us to learn from His Holy Spirit...

 

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

This is the most misunderstood passage of Scripture and it is well represented here to its meaning:

When the apostle asserted that believers do not need other teachers, he was not advocating
a mystical anti-intellectualism that spurns all human teachers. On the contrary, the Lord
has given the church godly pastors, elders, and teachers “for the equipping of the saints
for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ” (Eph 4:12; cf. v. 11; 1 Cor 12:28).
John's point is that believers must not rely on human wisdom or man-centered philosophy (cf. 1 Cor 1:18-2:9; Col 2:8)
but on the teaching of God's Word by Spirit-gifted human teachers and the illuminating work
of the Holy Spirit.


Here's a good treatise on the whole subject:
http://www.gotquesti...gs-leaders.html
Love, Steven
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Study?  What do you study?  Do you study some other persons understanding of God/God’s written Word?

The Word of God is a directive to us as to life and how to live it here in the death...
so by reliance on God's Spirit through teachers I learn the miracle of knowing God and
what He wants from me as His individual for a collective purpose of His Glory...
Eph 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting
of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and
of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the
measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we
henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning
craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the
truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head,
even Christ:
KJV


 

If you study someone else’s understanding about God, then you are just making an assumption he or she had the correct understanding, is that not right?

By the above verse and testing the spirit of all messages that is given me by The Word I am
lead by God The Holy Spirit into all truth... it is a work of prayer and searching with all
of the mind, heart and strength and I never give up for in it is life to me... Plus as I do
as His Word instructs me I also have God's blessed promise of finding:
Jer 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord,
thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and
I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when
ye shall search for me with all your heart.
KJV


 

The only way one can come to know God is to allow God to teach him or her.  Do you believe you/or anyone else is a better teacher then God?

This is a novice understanding as the whole council of God tells us to utilize His Word on the how of everything.
You have completely ignored what God says through Paul of how God expects us to learn from His Holy Spirit...

 

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

This is the most misunderstood passage of Scripture and it is well represented here to its meaning:

When the apostle asserted that believers do not need other teachers, he was not advocating
a mystical anti-intellectualism that spurns all human teachers. On the contrary, the Lord
has given the church godly pastors, elders, and teachers “for the equipping of the saints
for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ” (Eph 4:12; cf. v. 11; 1 Cor 12:28).
John's point is that believers must not rely on human wisdom or man-centered philosophy (cf. 1 Cor 1:18-2:9; Col 2:8)
but on the teaching of God's Word by Spirit-gifted human teachers and the illuminating work
of the Holy Spirit.


Here's a good treatise on the whole subject:
http://www.gotquesti...gs-leaders.html
Love, Steven

You could not answer my question about studying other people’s understanding of God, so you used your understanding of scripture to say I am wrong.
Paul told us the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.
 
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.” 
Paul also told us the one would behave as the Holy Spirit dictates.  Now the Holy Spirit is only going to dictate the written Word of God.  That is something one can trust.  No one can trust what man dictates, unless he or she ask Jesus if what man dictated is right or wrong.  Again it is God teach us about God.
 
(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”
 
So you tell me that I misunderstood what John said about the Holy Spirit teaching Christians everything.
 
Just how dumb does one need to be not to understand what John wrote?  Remember John’s writings are the written Word of God.  There is no hidden message in John’s writings. 
 
(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”  Very simple and fifth grade student can read it and understand what John wrote.
 
The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

Edited by OneLight, 28 June 2014 - 07:52 PM.
PLease stop using oversized font. It is like you are screaming in someones face.

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You could not answer my question about studying other people’s understanding of God, so you used your understanding of scripture to say I am wrong.
Paul told us the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.
 
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.” 
Paul also told us the one would behave as the Holy Spirit dictates.  Now the Holy Spirit is only going to dictate the written Word of God.  That is something one can trust.  No one can trust what man dictates, unless he or she ask Jesus if what man dictated is right or wrong.  Again it is God teach us about God.
 
(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”
 
So you tell me that I misunderstood what John said about the Holy Spirit teaching Christians everything.

 
You speak of the teaching of Paul, and the gifts of the Spirit, one which is teaching, then you turn around and claim teaching is not to be accepted.   Scripture does not tell us to be a loan ranger or an island.  We are all part of one body, each given a gift to use for the whole body, along with the offices He created, as found in 1 Corinthians 12. 
 

Just how dumb does one need to be not to understand what John wrote?  Remember John’s writings are the written Word of God.  There is no hidden message in John’s writings.

 
Personal insults are not accepted here.  Please refrain from such comments.
 

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”  Very simple and fifth grade student can read it and understand what John wrote.
 
The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.


You are right, scripture is for all who desire a closer walk with God, and it is wise to measure scripture with scripture, not take one verse out of scripture and act as if it is the only answer.

Perhaps it would be wise for you to explain more why you refuse to take teaching from someone who has been given the gift of a teacher by the Holy Spirit. I really don't thing anyone here is referring to any teachings from someone who does not follow God.
 
By the way, please us normal font.  Online etiquette establishes that increasing the font while using color and bold is like screaming in someones face and is considered very rude and unacceptable.
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You could not answer my question about studying other people’s understanding of God, so you used your understanding of scripture to say I am wrong.
Paul told us the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.
 
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.” 
Paul also told us the one would behave as the Holy Spirit dictates.  Now the Holy Spirit is only going to dictate the written Word of God.  That is something one can trust.  No one can trust what man dictates, unless he or she ask Jesus if what man dictated is right or wrong.  Again it is God teach us about God.
 
(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”
 
So you tell me that I misunderstood what John said about the Holy Spirit teaching Christians everything.
 
Just how dumb does one need to be not to understand what John wrote?  Remember John’s writings are the written Word of God.  There is no hidden message in John’s writings. 
 
(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”  Very simple and fifth grade student can read it and understand what John wrote.
 
The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

Just a personal witness left in this direction :) I learn from everyone I come into contact with
saved or unsaved but all of it is brought under the scrutiny of Scripture... for instance I have
learned from you in this dialogue! Thank you, love, Steven
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You could not answer my question about studying other people’s understanding of God, so you used your understanding of scripture to say I am wrong.
Paul told us the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.
 
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.” 
Paul also told us the one would behave as the Holy Spirit dictates.  Now the Holy Spirit is only going to dictate the written Word of God.  That is something one can trust.  No one can trust what man dictates, unless he or she ask Jesus if what man dictated is right or wrong.  Again it is God teach us about God.
 
(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”
 
So you tell me that I misunderstood what John said about the Holy Spirit teaching Christians everything.
 
Just how dumb does one need to be not to understand what John wrote?  Remember John’s writings are the written Word of God.  There is no hidden message in John’s writings. 
 
(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”  Very simple and fifth grade student can read it and understand what John wrote.
 
The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

Just a personal witness left in this direction :) I learn from everyone I come into contact with
saved or unsaved but all of it is brought under the scrutiny of Scripture... for instance I have
learned from you in this dialogue! Thank you, love, Steven

 

You did not say what you have learned.  I am not hear to teach.  


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Study?  What do you study?  Do you study some other persons understanding of God/God’s written Word?

The Word of God is a directive to us as to life and how to live it here in the death...
so by reliance on God's Spirit through teachers I learn the miracle of knowing God and
what He wants from me as His individual for a collective purpose of His Glory...
Eph 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting
of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and
of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the
measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we
henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning
craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the
truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head,
even Christ:
KJV


 

If you study someone else’s understanding about God, then you are just making an assumption he or she had the correct understanding, is that not right?

By the above verse and testing the spirit of all messages that is given me by The Word I am
lead by God The Holy Spirit into all truth... it is a work of prayer and searching with all
of the mind, heart and strength and I never give up for in it is life to me... Plus as I do
as His Word instructs me I also have God's blessed promise of finding:
Jer 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord,
thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and
I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when
ye shall search for me with all your heart.
KJV


 

The only way one can come to know God is to allow God to teach him or her.  Do you believe you/or anyone else is a better teacher then God?

This is a novice understanding as the whole council of God tells us to utilize His Word on the how of everything.
You have completely ignored what God says through Paul of how God expects us to learn from His Holy Spirit...

 

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

This is the most misunderstood passage of Scripture and it is well represented here to its meaning:

When the apostle asserted that believers do not need other teachers, he was not advocating
a mystical anti-intellectualism that spurns all human teachers. On the contrary, the Lord
has given the church godly pastors, elders, and teachers “for the equipping of the saints
for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ” (Eph 4:12; cf. v. 11; 1 Cor 12:28).
John's point is that believers must not rely on human wisdom or man-centered philosophy (cf. 1 Cor 1:18-2:9; Col 2:8)
but on the teaching of God's Word by Spirit-gifted human teachers and the illuminating work
of the Holy Spirit.


Here's a good treatise on the whole subject:
http://www.gotquesti...gs-leaders.html
Love, Steven

 

You could not answer my question about studying other people’s understanding of God, so you used your understanding of scripture to say I am wrong.
Paul told us the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her.
 
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.” 
Paul also told us the one would behave as the Holy Spirit dictates.  Now the Holy Spirit is only going to dictate the written Word of God.  That is something one can trust.  No one can trust what man dictates, unless he or she ask Jesus if what man dictated is right or wrong.  Again it is God teach us about God.
 
(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”
 
So you tell me that I misunderstood what John said about the Holy Spirit teaching Christians everything.
 
Just how dumb does one need to be not to understand what John wrote?  Remember John’s writings are the written Word of God.  There is no hidden message in John’s writings. 
 
(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”  Very simple and fifth grade student can read it and understand what John wrote.
 
The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 

When Jesus first called me into his ministry I asked him what seminary to attend.  Jesus told me:" NO! Don't read about me, I will teach you about me."  Soon after Jesus told me that, the Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

 

Jesus/Holy Spirit is my teacher.  

 

Jesus has personally told me he is God, and that the Christian Bible is his written Word.  By the way the only bible I had at that time was a Jerusalem Bible, and Jesus told me to get more into it.  Jesus has used that bible to help teach me about him.

 

Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

 (John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

 

So you don't like to see scripture highlighted in bold, and red, well for you I will not do so anymore.  Now tell me is that a forum rule, or just your personal dislike? 


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The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 

 

I guess those Bereans just didn't get it....

 

 

So I guess you've got Daniel and Revelation all sewn up then?

 

The Bible itself commends study....of the Bible....sometimes understanding turns out to be more of a misunderstanding

 

Is there a gift given to anyone that ensures that the holder thereof needs no correction?  I'm certainly not aware of such a gift nor has the Holy Spirit ever said to me that He

has endowed some with perfect knowledge in spite of the fact that even Paul said we do not see things clearly


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Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs


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Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs

 

Actually no I dont think he is, there is truth to what he says. when I became saved I didnt want to be taught by others who god is or what it means to be a Christian because I figured who better to teach me than God himself? so with my bible and Christian music I secluded my self in my room for months to seek God learn who he is and build a true relationship with him and I had many encounters with God in my roim I even felt the holy spirit fill my room. i could almost see it I would walk out of my room to eat or something and the presence could be felt but the second I stepped in my room there he was filling my room.

 

John never claimed to be special and was being honest and honestly your assumption was not cool


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The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 

 

I guess those Bereans just didn't get it....

 

 

So I guess you've got Daniel and Revelation all sewn up then?

 

The Bible itself commends study....of the Bible....sometimes understanding turns out to be more of a misunderstanding

 

Is there a gift given to anyone that ensures that the holder thereof needs no correction?  I'm certainly not aware of such a gift nor has the Holy Spirit ever said to me that He

has endowed some with perfect knowledge in spite of the fact that even Paul said we do not see things clearly

 

You should be able to understand that if one is being taught and receiving the grace from the Holy Spirit, and is also being led by Jesus Christ our Lord and God, that he or she does not need to listen to anyone else.


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Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs

 

Actually no I dont think he is, there is truth to what he says. when I became saved I didnt want to be taught by others who god is or what it means to be a Christian because I figured who better to teach me than God himself? so with my bible and Christian music I secluded my self in my room for months to seek God learn who he is and build a true relationship with him and I had many encounters with God in my roim I even felt the holy spirit fill my room. i could almost see it I would walk out of my room to eat or something and the presence could be felt but the second I stepped in my room there he was filling my room.

 

John never claimed to be special and was being honest and honestly your assumption was not cool

 

You have made some assumptions, and I don't believe they deserve any response.


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The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 

 

I guess those Bereans just didn't get it....

 

 

So I guess you've got Daniel and Revelation all sewn up then?

 

The Bible itself commends study....of the Bible....sometimes understanding turns out to be more of a misunderstanding

 

Is there a gift given to anyone that ensures that the holder thereof needs no correction?  I'm certainly not aware of such a gift nor has the Holy Spirit ever said to me that He

has endowed some with perfect knowledge in spite of the fact that even Paul said we do not see things clearly

 

A Christian is given the Holy Spirit to teach him or her everything.  Why would one who has the Holy Spirit need to study scripture?  All one needs to do is ask the Holy Spirit/Jesus and he or she will be given the truth.


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The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 
I guess those Bereans just didn't get it....
 
 
So I guess you've got Daniel and Revelation all sewn up then?
 
The Bible itself commends study....of the Bible....sometimes understanding turns out to be more of a misunderstanding
 
Is there a gift given to anyone that ensures that the holder thereof needs no correction?  I'm certainly not aware of such a gift nor has the Holy Spirit ever said to me that He
has endowed some with perfect knowledge in spite of the fact that even Paul said we do not see things clearly

 

You should be able to understand that if one is being taught and receiving the grace from the Holy Spirit, and is also being led by Jesus Christ our Lord and God, that he or she does not need to listen to anyone else.

 

This is completely contrary to the council of God in His Word. 1Cor 12 speaks
of individual gifting to a fulfilled usefulness of building up the whole body.
This is further laid out as specific to topic of learning God's Word:
Eph 3:7-8
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace
of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me,
who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I
should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

KJV
Col 1:25-29
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God
which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the
mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is
made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is
the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is
Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man,
and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man
perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according
to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

KJV
Jer 3:15
15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall
feed you with knowledge and understanding
.
KJV
Eph 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for
the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till
we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of
God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness
of Christ:
KJV

All of us know God works through those called according to His(God)purpose to instruct
according to The Spirit within them fulfilling the Word of promise above... whoever has
beguiled you otherwise is outside of the instruction of God's Word! Love, Steven


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The Holy Spirit did not put Words in the Bible that were so hard to understand the one needs a degree in theology to understand.
No one needs a degree in theology to come to understand man’s lies about the written Word of God.

 
I guess those Bereans just didn't get it....
 
 
So I guess you've got Daniel and Revelation all sewn up then?
 
The Bible itself commends study....of the Bible....sometimes understanding turns out to be more of a misunderstanding
 
Is there a gift given to anyone that ensures that the holder thereof needs no correction?  I'm certainly not aware of such a gift nor has the Holy Spirit ever said to me that He
has endowed some with perfect knowledge in spite of the fact that even Paul said we do not see things clearly

 

You should be able to understand that if one is being taught and receiving the grace from the Holy Spirit, and is also being led by Jesus Christ our Lord and God, that he or she does not need to listen to anyone else.

 

This is completely contrary to the council of God in His Word. 1Cor 12 speaks
of individual gifting to a fulfilled usefulness of building up the whole body.
This is further laid out as specific to topic of learning God's Word:
Eph 3:7-8
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace
of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me,
who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I
should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

KJV
Col 1:25-29
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God
which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26 Even the
mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is
made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is
the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is
Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man,
and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man
perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according
to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

KJV
Jer 3:15
15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall
feed you with knowledge and understanding
.
KJV
Eph 4:11-13
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for
the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till
we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of
God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness
of Christ:
KJV

All of us know God works through those called according to His(God)purpose to instruct
according to The Spirit within them fulfilling the Word of promise above... whoever has
beguiled you otherwise is outside of the instruction of God's Word! Love, Steven

 

You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.

It seems you talk about gifts of the Holy Spirit, and offices of the Church.

 

Yet what is the Church of God’s?

 

I personally believe the Church of God are those who live the whole Word of God.

 

Yet the only Church with any authority form God, is the Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox. 

 

Their bishops have the authority of an apostle, even though they, because the Church no longer teaches God whole Word, have not any of the powers of an apostle.


Edited by Johnlove, 29 June 2014 - 07:14 PM.

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Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs

 

Actually no I dont think he is, there is truth to what he says. when I became saved I didnt want to be taught by others who god is or what it means to be a Christian because I figured who better to teach me than God himself? so with my bible and Christian music I secluded my self in my room for months to seek God learn who he is and build a true relationship with him and I had many encounters with God in my roim I even felt the holy spirit fill my room. i could almost see it I would walk out of my room to eat or something and the presence could be felt but the second I stepped in my room there he was filling my room.

 

John never claimed to be special and was being honest and honestly your assumption was not cool

 

You have made some assumptions, and I don't believe they deserve any response.

 

What assumptions have I made?


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You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.
It seems you talk about gifts of the Holy Spirit, and offices of the Church.
 
Yet what is the Church of God’s?
 
I personally believe the Church of God are those who live the whole Word of God.
 
Yet the only Church with any authority for God, is the Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox. 
 
Their bishops have the authority of an apostle, even though they, because the Church no longer teaches God whole Word, have not any of the powers of an apostle.

It is not my point to belittle you or make you ashamed! However what you have written is
contrary to what you have stated God The Holy Spirit does within you!

You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.

How do I need to say anything when it is Scripture that is quoted? What does
The Holy Spirit say these passages mean? Love, Steven
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reading comprehension is in question here-to the best of my understanding...

Sevenseas made the assumption tat John saw himself special to the lord when he made no such claim nor did he insinuate so either. that is why i said what i said its unfair to assume a person is talking highly of themselves when they were only describing their thoughts and experiences on a subject.
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You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.
It seems you talk about gifts of the Holy Spirit, and offices of the Church.
 
Yet what is the Church of God’s?
 
I personally believe the Church of God are those who live the whole Word of God.
 
Yet the only Church with any authority for God, is the Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox. 
 
Their bishops have the authority of an apostle, even though they, because the Church no longer teaches God whole Word, have not any of the powers of an apostle.

It is not my point to belittle you or make you ashamed! However what you have written is
contrary to what you have stated God The Holy Spirit does within you!

You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.

How do I need to say anything when it is Scripture that is quoted? What does
The Holy Spirit say these passages mean? Love, Steven

 

The Holy Spirit?


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