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I know there's a very confusing passage about marriage in the new heavens/earth, and want to suggest a possibility by which there could be marriage:

 

Luke 20:27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
 28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
 32  Last of all the woman died also.
 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

The solution is very simple. What if the verses 35-36 just refer to women who've been married multiple times, including those in Jewish custom had to marry the husband's brother if he died without children, to preserve the lineage?

 

In other words, rather than saying nobody would marry in the next life, Jesus would have been saying female Christians would be treated the same as men in the next life, allowed to marry whoever they want rather than being subject to the will of their husbands or being given in marriage by their fathers as was Middle Eastern custom? They would have the authority of the angels, equal to the angels, since as Paul says, Jesus considers all Christians the same regardless of gender.

 

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

There are after all passages which appear to show children will exist in the next life, so logically you would assume marriage as well.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.



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I found this thread in the Video Forum for Biblical Topics. I moved it to the appropriate forum.

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why do you need a solution? are you not happy that there will be no marriage in heaven? hey, i love my husband. i love being married. but i wouldn't go trying to conjure up some obscure meaning to a couple of verses to satisfy my desire to be married on the other side. 



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The passage very specifically addresses women who had to marry their husband's brothers under Jewish custom though. I'm just not convinced that it can be extrapolated to refer to all marriage in the next life without additional supporting passages, especially since the Bible makes clear that God blesses marriage. (Hebrews 13:4, Proverbs 18:22)



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why do you need a solution? are you not happy that there will be no marriage in heaven? hey, i love my husband. i love being married. but i wouldn't go trying to conjure up some obscure meaning to a couple of verses to satisfy my desire to be married on the other side. 

 

1. A lot of Christians struggle with this topic, in fact I noticed a forum topic a while back with someone losing their faith over this subject.

 

2. It would seemingly contradict other teachings of Jesus about God making mankind male and female originally for a reason. (Matthew 19:4-6) Not to mention, again, the fact that God blesses marriage, and marriage was a commandment for church leaders. (1 Timothy 3:2,12; Titus 1:6)

 

3. It would seemingly contradict passages showing there will be marriage and childbirth in the new heavens and new earth. (Isaiah 11:8-9, 4:1, 65:20, Zechariah 8:5)



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Yes, I too did not know there was a problem to be solved, seems to mean that when Jesus said:  

 

"29“You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.",

 

He might have actually meant what He said. Don't confuse the Millennial kingdom with the life of the resurrected people with new bodies. Eternity with God in Heaven as the bride of Christ is superior to the institution of marriage, and procreating to fill the earth, so it seems to me in any case.



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Marriage will exsist in heaven, not between man and woman but, check out these verses....

Hosea 2:19, Isaiah 54:5, Jeremiah 31:32, revelation 19:6-9

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Marriage will exsist in heaven, not between man and woman but, check out these verses....

Hosea 2:19, Isaiah 54:5, Jeremiah 31:32, revelation 19:6-9

 

Well as seen from Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:8, and Hosea 1:2, God already considers Himself married to Israel and has for thousands of years.



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I will say though in looking closer that 1 Corinthians 15 seems to show spiritual bodies are involved in the resurrection after the Milennial Reign. Although even then if the bodies were similar to angels, you get into the issue of the Nephilim with Genesis 6:1-2. Complications everywhere. :)



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Marriage will exsist in heaven, not between man and woman but, check out these verses....
Hosea 2:19, Isaiah 54:5, Jeremiah 31:32, revelation 19:6-9

 
Well as seen from Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:8, and Hosea 1:2, God already considers Himself married to Israel and has for thousands of years.
yea thats true but the bible also speaks of future events in past tense. However the marrige supper is yet to come.

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Mat 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

 

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For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

 

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but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,

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Why would there be marriage in heaven? Will there be procreation? Will we not love each other as Christ loves us, equally? Trying to fit this life into the next is impossible, since we have nothing but scripture to use as a guideline, and scripture provides only a glimpse of what it will be like. Anything else is only a guess at best.

Remember, there will be a new earth and a new heaven. The old will pass away and all things become new.

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I know there's a very confusing passage about marriage in the new heavens/earth, and want to suggest a possibility by which there could be marriage:

 

Luke 20:27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
 28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
 32  Last of all the woman died also.
 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

The solution is very simple. What if the verses 35-36 just refer to women who've been married multiple times, including those in Jewish custom had to marry the husband's brother if he died without children, to preserve the lineage?

 

In other words, rather than saying nobody would marry in the next life, Jesus would have been saying female Christians would be treated the same as men in the next life, allowed to marry whoever they want rather than being subject to the will of their husbands or being given in marriage by their fathers as was Middle Eastern custom? They would have the authority of the angels, equal to the angels, since as Paul says, Jesus considers all Christians the same regardless of gender.

 

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

There are after all passages which appear to show children will exist in the next life, so logically you would assume marriage as well.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

You are mistaken.  Verses 35-36 do not refer merely to women.  You cannot, using good exegesis arrive at that conclusion.    Jesus answered the question definitively and without an ambiguity.    Jesus said that those living in the next life are do not marry nor are given in marriage.  There is no way you can make that gender specific.

 

Secondly you are ripping Gal. 3:28 out of its immediate context.   That verse is referring to equal access to God's grace.  Paul is saying that ethnicity, gender and social status do not put anyone at an advantage or disadvantage where access to God's grace is concerned.

 

Isaiah 11: 8-9 isn't talking about the next life.  It is talking about the millennial reign of Jesus that precedes the next life. Tribulation believers that survive into the millennium will have children during that time period.   Whereas, believers from the church age will already have their glorified bodies. and will not be having children but will be busy in Kingdom affairs.



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The solution is an easy one, the church which is the bride of Christ will be married to to Christ Jesus who is the bridegroom - we want have time to worrying about who were married to in this life, we will be too busy adoring Christ Jesus to worry about such trivial matters :D



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I know there's a very confusing passage about marriage in the new heavens/earth, and want to suggest a possibility by which there could be marriage:

 

Luke 20:27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
 28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
 32  Last of all the woman died also.
 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

The solution is very simple. What if the verses 35-36 just refer to women who've been married multiple times, including those in Jewish custom had to marry the husband's brother if he died without children, to preserve the lineage?

 

In other words, rather than saying nobody would marry in the next life, Jesus would have been saying female Christians would be treated the same as men in the next life, allowed to marry whoever they want rather than being subject to the will of their husbands or being given in marriage by their fathers as was Middle Eastern custom? They would have the authority of the angels, equal to the angels, since as Paul says, Jesus considers all Christians the same regardless of gender.

 

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

There are after all passages which appear to show children will exist in the next life, so logically you would assume marriage as well.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

You are mistaken.  Verses 35-36 do not refer merely to women.  You cannot, using good exegesis arrive at that conclusion.    Jesus answered the question definitively and without an ambiguity.    Jesus said that those living in the next life are do not marry nor are given in marriage.  There is no way you can make that gender specific.

 

Secondly you are ripping Gal. 3:28 out of its immediate context.   That verse is referring to equal access to God's grace.  Paul is saying that ethnicity, gender and social status do not put anyone at an advantage or disadvantage where access to God's grace is concerned.

 

Isaiah 11: 8-9 isn't talking about the next life.  It is talking about the millennial reign of Jesus that precedes the next life. Tribulation believers that survive into the millennium will have children during that time period.   Whereas, believers from the church age will already have their glorified bodies. and will not be having children but will be busy in Kingdom affairs.

 

Not gender specific so much as situation specific, in addressing women who had been forced into arranged marriages or forced to marry multiple husbands. It would make sense in the next life for them to not have to be forced to marry anymore but to have authority to determine their own relationships.

 

Nor am I convinced Galatians 3:28 is out of context, it seems consistent with John 17:21.


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

As for Isaiah 11:8-9, what then would you say the "holy mountain" refers to if the period is just during the Milennial Reign? It certainly cannot refer to the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ which wouldn't have come down from Heaven yet.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.



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Angels are celestial (pert to heaven) created beings of God in heaven.  Angels were not created with physcial earthly bodies as man who was created a little lower than the angels.  Angel already have a spiritual body that will never die as they are in the prescence of the Lord ministering spirits on behalf of the will of the Lord in the earth.  Angels do not procreate in heaven they were not created to do so as man on earth was created to. 

 

Man is a terresterial (pert to earth) create being of God in the earth.  Man was made up a three part being that consists of a body, soul and spirit.  Because sin entered into the world it brought death upon the human race as everyone who would be born into this world would have to die a physical death.  There body would return to the earth from which it came.  But it was through Christ death, burial and resurrection that bought us back from the curse of the law as Christ paid the ransom price to redeem us back from it.  Christ willingly gave himself as the atoning sacrifice he gave his body and shed his blood on the cross for the souls of mankind.  Being born into this world a slave to sin there is no hope of eternal life without Christ.

 

This I believe is what the scripture is referring to in that those who came to Jesus in the passage did not believe in resurrection from the dead and were trying to flub Jesus up who was the resurrection and the life for fallen man.  Jesus told them they erred in their beliefs and did not understand scripture.  They were ignorant of who he was and why he came to this earth.  But our life on earth will come to an end one day if the Lord tarries and we will die and our bodies will go to the grave.  If we die without Christ then your body will be resurrected during the end time events as foretold in Revelation the resurrection of the wicked dead.  Those lost without Christ never having accepting Christ as Saviour from their sins will be united with a spiritual body that will exist for all eternity and burn in the lake of fire forever and ever.   Those who have accepted Christ as the sacrifice and atonement for their sins in this life have a blessed hope that at Christ appearing those who have died and have gone by way of the grave their bodies will be resurrected first as the dead in Christ will receive a glorified body (pert to heaven) first.  Then those who are still alive on earth at the Lord's appearing will be changed instantly in the moment of a twinkling of and eye.  They will be instantly changed and be given a gloried body and meet with the Lord in the air and so shall they ever be with the Lord.

 

In the resurrection we shall be like Christ in that when he was raised from the dead he had a glorified body not a flesh and blood body that could be harmed by sickness and disease or killed ever again.  We also shall be changed and received a glorified body that will not be subject to death any longer we will be changed from a earthly fleshly being that is slowly fading away as we live in this earth because of Adam's transgression.  But through Christ obedience to the work on the cross we have hope of the resurrection we shall be raised to newness of life and our spirit will be reunited with a glorified body that shall never see death but live forever with Christ our Lord and King for eternity.

 

This is what Jesus was talking about and not about carnal earthly things dealing with this earthly life that shall one day pass away.  Such as marrying and giving in marriage and the law for those things had nothing to do with the resurrection in which they did not believe in when they came to Jesus to talk to him to start with.  

 

We shall be like the angels in the fact that we too will one day possess a body a spiritual heavenly glorified body we shall be a spiritual being like the angels of God that shall never die and be in the presence of the Lord for eternity if we are in Christ.  The opposite is true of those who are not born again but they will at the resurrection of the wicked dead received a eternal spiritual body that will be tormented day and night for all eternity and they shall never did in that state.  But the resurrection and what was said in the law about a brother dying and if he had a brother still living then they were suppose to take her in as their wife to raise up children to her in his place has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the resurrection and Jesus point their error in scripture out to them very plainly they were ignorant on the matter.



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I know there's a very confusing passage about marriage in the new heavens/earth, and want to suggest a possibility by which there could be marriage:

 

Luke 20:27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
 28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
 30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
 31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
 32  Last of all the woman died also.
 33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

The solution is very simple. What if the verses 35-36 just refer to women who've been married multiple times, including those in Jewish custom had to marry the husband's brother if he died without children, to preserve the lineage?

 

In other words, rather than saying nobody would marry in the next life, Jesus would have been saying female Christians would be treated the same as men in the next life, allowed to marry whoever they want rather than being subject to the will of their husbands or being given in marriage by their fathers as was Middle Eastern custom? They would have the authority of the angels, equal to the angels, since as Paul says, Jesus considers all Christians the same regardless of gender.

 

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

There are after all passages which appear to show children will exist in the next life, so logically you would assume marriage as well.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

You are mistaken.  Verses 35-36 do not refer merely to women.  You cannot, using good exegesis arrive at that conclusion.    Jesus answered the question definitively and without an ambiguity.    Jesus said that those living in the next life are do not marry nor are given in marriage.  There is no way you can make that gender specific.

 

Secondly you are ripping Gal. 3:28 out of its immediate context.   That verse is referring to equal access to God's grace.  Paul is saying that ethnicity, gender and social status do not put anyone at an advantage or disadvantage where access to God's grace is concerned.

 

Isaiah 11: 8-9 isn't talking about the next life.  It is talking about the millennial reign of Jesus that precedes the next life. Tribulation believers that survive into the millennium will have children during that time period.   Whereas, believers from the church age will already have their glorified bodies. and will not be having children but will be busy in Kingdom affairs.

 

Not gender specific so much as situation specific, in addressing women who had been forced into arranged marriages or forced to marry multiple husbands. It would make sense in the next life for them to not have to be forced to marry anymore but to have authority to determine their own relationships.

 

Sorry, but you are trying to force that passage to mean something it doesn't mean.  Jesus makes it clear that NO ONE will be getting married in the life to come.   You need to believe the Bible as it is written instead of trying to squeeze what ever you think you can squeeze from it.

Nor am I convinced Galatians 3:28 is out of context, it seems consistent with John 17:21.


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

 

Oh please... It is completely out of context.  In one place Paul is saying that all people regardless of who they are  or their station in life can be saved.   In John Jesus is praying for unity of the saints.   They address two completely different issues and two completely different contexts.

 

As for Isaiah 11:8-9, what then would you say the "holy mountain" refers to if the period is just during the Milennial Reign? It certainly cannot refer to the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ which wouldn't have come down from Heaven yet.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

 

There will be a millennial temple during the 1,000 year reign of Christ and it is outlines in Ezekiel 40-48. 



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Sorry, but you are trying to force that passage to mean something it doesn't mean.  Jesus makes it clear that NO ONE will be getting married in the life to come.   You need to believe the Bible as it is written instead of trying to squeeze what ever think you can squeeze from it.There will be a millennial temple during the 1,000 year reign of Christ and it is outlines in Ezekiel 40-48. 

 

Interesting thread. How do you feel about being with the same people for all eternity, never procreating.



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Sorry, but you are trying to force that passage to mean something it doesn't mean.  Jesus makes it clear that NO ONE will be getting married in the life to come.   You need to believe the Bible as it is written instead of trying to squeeze what ever think you can squeeze from it.There will be a millennial temple during the 1,000 year reign of Christ and it is outlines in Ezekiel 40-48. 

 

Interesting thread. How do you feel about being with the same people for all eternity, never procreating.

 

You mean to be married to someone for eternity without procreation?   the Bible says no one will be marry or be given in marriage. 



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The passage very specifically addresses women who had to marry their husband's brothers under Jewish custom though. I'm just not convinced that it can be extrapolated to refer to all marriage in the next life without additional supporting passages, especially since the Bible makes clear that God blesses marriage. (Hebrews 13:4, Proverbs 18:22)

 

Jesus was not specific to women. He was teaching them than NO ONE who undergoes the resurrection marries in the Kingdom. We will be in new, immortal bodies, and will not have the same functions as we did as creatures of the earth. He says we will be like the angels in that regard---eternal beings without the need for coupling, sexual intercourse, or procreation.






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