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Communist Party USA: Go, Obama, Go!


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Organization staging events to encourage higher taxes, spending.


The Communist Party USA, which just days ago boasted of its celebration over the election victory by Barack Obama, now is organizing teleconferences and promoting rallies in support of Obama’s plans to raise taxes – and to demand full government funding for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid “and other basic human needs.”

According to a statement from the communists, it is the “will of the voters” that Obama be allowed to “end … tax breaks for the wealthiest.” And the party said no spending cuts should be allowed because they would be borne by the “working class families, starting with children and youth and the most vulnerable.”

The Communist Party USA National Committee chairman, Sam Webb, said:

“We meet on the heels of an enormous people’s victory. It was a long and bitterly contested battle in which the forces of inclusive democracy came out on top. The better angels of the American people spread their wings,” he wrote in the online report.

He said blacks, Hispanics and women worked together to defeat “racist … white people” and that it now is time for the Communist Party USA to work on the foundations established by Obama on issues regarding the environment, homosexual marriage and minorities to its potential.

http://www.wnd.com/2...sa-go-obama-go/

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I can't believe that there is such a thing as "The Communist Party USA ".... this is unreal... I thought this was just some joke. :huh: :P

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The KKK sees a certain election as a triumph for Whites: is that candidate who won a member or supporter of the KKK?

The extreme Right Wing Agenda, which includes "certain militia" groups, were wild about Bachman's victory: is she an enemy of central government? Yes! but is she seen or considered a terrorists as are these organizations that support her? No.



Go over to the Communist Party USA website and look at their stated agenda. It is virtually the same as President Obama's..

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The KKK sees a certain election as a triumph for Whites: is that candidate who won a member or supporter of the KKK?

The extreme Right Wing Agenda, which includes "certain militia" groups, were wild about Bachman's victory: is she an enemy of central government? Yes! but is she seen or considered a terrorists as are these organizations that support her? No.



Here we go again… Why post in a topic that is clearly about politics? I thought all politics is worldly?

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The KKK sees a certain election as a triumph for Whites: is that candidate who won a member or supporter of the KKK?

The extreme Right Wing Agenda, which includes "certain militia" groups, were wild about Bachman's victory: is she an enemy of central government? Yes! but is she seen or considered a terrorists as are these organizations that support her? No.


Spurious comparison.

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Here we go again… Why post in a topic that is clearly about politics?




Because it's interesting. ;)

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Here we go again… Why post in a topic that is clearly about politics?




Because it's interesting. ;)


Yes but all politics is wordliness Tinky according to Num. :hmmm: Lol. :mgcheerful:

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The KKK sees a certain election as a triumph for Whites: is that candidate who won a member or supporter of the KKK?

The extreme Right Wing Agenda, which includes "certain militia" groups, were wild about Bachman's victory: is she an enemy of central government? Yes! but is she seen or considered a terrorists as are these organizations that support her? No.



Here we go again… Why post in a topic that is clearly about politics? I thought all politics is worldly?


You see this as about politics, goldeneagle? I see it as about the continued slander of a person. What is the cause? Political differences, which is why I am against political involvement; it effects and infects the faith. It is divisive. Associating the president with communism is exactly the kind of stuff that is pulling the country apart and casuing conflict amongst Christians. Can't you see the worldliness in this oblique attack?


I agree that division is not good. Simply stating the truth is not slander or an attack. So Num is President Obama associated with the Communist Party USA?

If there is evidence to the contrary please feel free to post it.

God bless,
GE

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I was raised in a Marxist household, and recognize Barack HUSSEIN Obama clearly as a doctrinaire Communist. He's not stupid, however, and realizes it still needs to be completed one baby step at a time.......

May God Almighty thwart his plans. +

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The question on the floor seems to be - is or is not President Barack H. Obama a communist?

Well - I doubt that if one had access to his wallet, they would find an official "CPUSA" membership card mixed in amongst his VISAs and DINERS CLUB cards.

But - His mother was waaaaay left of center. His maternal grandfather was waaaaaay left of center. The man - Frank Marshal Davis - who had a huge influence in his life WAS (according to the FBI) a card carrying communist.

So - is it fair to say he was exposed to communistic philosophy in his formative, growing-up years? Yes.

Is it fair to say - REGARDLESS of whether or not he carries an "official" card - that Obama's stated policies meet with the approval of CPUSA? Yes.

Finally - is pointing this out and discussing it (while we still have the freedom to do so) somehow "un-Christian". No.

The man ran for public office. And, as much as he thinks he should be immune from it, he IS subject to criticism.

Just like the 42 men (43 if you count Cleveland twice) who preceded him.

Blessings!
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If there is evidence to the contrary? You mean that he is guilty until proven innocent? Stating the truth? It is guilt by association. It is the continued hatred toward this man. You need to show that he is a card-carrying member of the Communist Party, not the reverse on me. The idea is utterly absurd, just more McCarthyism...one of the darker stains on America.


I do not need to show that the President is a card-carrying member of the Communist Party brother. The evidence of his ideological leanings is apparent. Surely we can agree on that?

Let's take a few examples:

1. Socialized medicine.

2. Increase in government programs – increasing the size of the government.

3. Progressive income taxes.

4. State Control of Real Property – Take the Auto Industry for example

5. Favors institution of estate taxes and a de-emphasis on inheritance.

6. Free higher education

Yet what exactly is President Obama? Is he a socialist/communist?

From: http://www.forbes.co...ma-a-socialist/

By: Paul Roderick Gregory

Democrat strategists know that the American electorate reacts strongly negative to “socialism” and are doing their best to discredit any and all who call Obama a socialist. There can be no doubt that Obama is a socialist in the European reform-Marxism tradition. In France, Obama would be the candidate of the French socialist party. In Spain, he would be at home in the Socialist Worker’s Party. In Germany, Obama would be torn between the Social Democrats and Die Linke. In “Old Europe,” the welfare state is well entrenched.

Democrat strategists discredit Obama-is-a-socialist claims by equating them with the ludicrous charge that Obama is a card-carrying communist of the cold war tradition. That is not what is being said. European socialists are proud of their rich tradition and heritage that date back to the split with revolutionary Marxism at the turn of the last century. In the United States, however, candidates must conceal rather than openly proclaim their socialist beliefs.


See the next article quote...

God bless,
GE

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The question on the floor seems to be - is or is not President Barack H. Obama a communist?

Well - I doubt that if one had access to his wallet, they would find an official "CPUSA" membership card mixed in amongst his VISAs and DINERS CLUB cards.

But - His mother was waaaaay left of center. His maternal grandfather was waaaaaay left of center. The man - Frank Marshal Davis - who had a huge influence in his life WAS (according to the FBI) a card carrying communist.

So - is it fair to say he was exposed to communistic philosophy in his formative, growing-up years? Yes.

Is it fair to say - REGARDLESS of whether or not he carries an "official" card - that Obama's stated policies meet with the approval of CPUSA? Yes.

Finally - is pointing this out and discussing it (while we still have the freedom to do so) somehow "un-Christian". No.

The man ran for public office. And, as much as he thinks he should be immune from it, he IS subject to criticism.

Just like the 42 men (43 if you count Cleveland twice) who preceded him.

Blessings!
-Ed


Great post Ed! :thumbsup:

President Obama’s background and upbringing is socialistic in nature (Mother, Maternal Grandfather, and his heroes/mentors - Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Edward Said, and Roberto Unger). He has been significantly influenced by this upbringing which has shaped his world view or how he views the world.

IMO I would also say that President Obama views the world through the shades of an anti-colonialist. IMO President Obama believes the U.S. is the 1% and the rest of the world (the 99%) is suffering due to our standard of living.

Pointing out what someone believes and what evidence there is for their worldview as Ed pointed is not un-Christian. I believe in the Trinity, The Dual Nature (100% God and 100% man) of Christ, The Death and Ressurection of Christ, That Christ is the Only Way to God, The Bible is the inspired, innerant Word of God, etc. My posts I hope are evidence of this. We are simply discussing the evidence of President Obama's views.

God bless,
GE

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You need to show that he is a card-carrying member of the Communist Party, not the reverse on me. The idea is utterly absurd, just more McCarthyism...one of the darker stains on America.


Perhaps not absurd. But we really need to understand the question.

The question on the floor seems to be - is or is not President Barack H. Obama a communist?


Perhaps this is a good explenation.

http://www.forbes.co...ly-a-socialist/
Most of our elites would certainly not entertain the question: “Is Obama a socialist?” Only irresponsible fanatics carelessly throw around such epithets, they say. Polite circles ignore such goofiness.

As someone who has professionally studied and written about comparative economics, capitalism, and socialism for almost fifty years, the reticence to probe the core beliefs of a political leader seems odd. The question is perfectly legitimate in both an academic and political context as long as we define terms and place the discussion in proper context.

By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao, but whether Obama falls within the mainstream of contemporary socialism as represented, for example, by Germany’s Social Democrats, French Socialists, or Spain’s socialist-workers party?

By this criterion, yes, Obama is a socialist.

The socialist parties of Europe trace their origins to reform Marxism. After Marx’s death in 1883, Europe’s Marxists rejected the Bolsheviks’ call for socialist revolution and worked within the political system for Marxist goals. Marxists, such as Karl Leibknecht, August Bebel, Paul Lafargue, Leon Blum, and others, formed the socialist parties that we know today. Most emerged from the trade-union movement, and they retain close ties with organized labor today, as does Obama’s Democrat Party.

Whereas, the eighteenth century liberalism of John Locke and Adam Smith gave us our constitution and limited government, Marxism provided the intellectual foundations of the European welfare state.

The European socialists have their welfare state. Even their conservative opponents no longer question the “social state,” despite rising concern about its affordability. In the United States, we are fighting the battle of the welfare state, and we do not know what the outcome will be.

The European welfare state takes one half of national output to provide state health care, pensions, extended unemployment benefits, income grants, and free higher education. Failed nationalizations taught European socialists to leave enterprise in private hands and coerce it through taxation and regulation to contribute to what the state deems the “social welfare.”


I bear no ill will towards our President. However, I do not like many of his policies. Kind of like the principle of love the sinner hate the sin? That is allowed correct?

God bless,
GE

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The labor movement was branded a Marxist threat and the governemt used by Big Business to suppress strikes by any means necessary. Back then, we still had a country living under a brand of social darwinism that could be found in such terms as "manifest Destiny," "rugged individualism," and "frontier justice." Incredible and lasting injustices under this old American way were perpetrated on large segments of people living in America.

Just for the record, I was not aware that the labor movement was the topic of discussion. But since you raised it (as I suppose an example of a "good" thing the CPUSA supports), I will concede that very few entities on this Earth are ALL evil or ALL good. In other words, you can find examples of good in most any form of government.

It has been said that "Mussolini made the trains run on time." See how that works?

And just what "incredible" and "lasting" injustices were perpetuated in early American society? Slavery? The Civil War ended in - what? - 1865? That was 147 years ago.

I know that Christ saves individuals from their own sins - but is there an expiration date on a country's sins? How much more "penance" do you suggest we as a nation do?


What was the direct result of this so-called "Marxist threat" was a standard of living unrealized up to that time and which surpasssed all countries at that time: it literally lifted America to first in the world. We take all the standards and benefits about work we have today for granted, forgetting this was paid for in blood in the struggle for the worker, a number of which did have communist leanings. Do you consider yourself a commie for wanting to have these standards and benefits in the place where you work? Sould you insist on a six day eighty hour week without vacation, insurance, job safety and security, and so forth to prove you are a true American? All these advancements did not come from a benevolent movement of concerned CEOs; just the opposite. As Teddy Roosevely observed, Big Business had legislatures in their pocket to fight against these advances. The same is happening today with the attack on unions.

Again, this is off the topic at hand. But just to respond to your point - yes, we had the labor movement in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. And yes, it did produce those things you cited.

Their goals were mostly achieved by the end of WWII. And we did it WITHOUT adopting Communism as our form of government.

This country would have lately ended in a depression if not for the elderly receiving social security and retirement benfits once thought of as communistic. Do you want to get rid of social security and medicare as communistic or socialistic, privatize it and leave all those people at the mercy of the Insurance Industry?

Strawman argument. No one is suggesting we do away with social programs. Though I fail to see how it is wrong to investigate the possibility that some programs (like retirement funds) would get better return for the buck if they WERE privatized.

There are things the government does well. There are things private enterprise does well. Only extreme partisans dismiss either one of those statements.

That the Communist Party sees a continuation of policies that help the poor and disadvantaged as good, which Obama supports, does not make him a communist.


There was a time in this country that a CPUSA endorsement would end someone's campaign. My, how we've "progressed".

Let me close this by asking you a hypothetical question: If the official skinhead American Nazi Party (not sure there is one, but humor me here) endorsed a candidate, would you find that problematic?

Blessings!
-Ed

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There are things the government does well. There are things private enterprise does well. Only extreme partisans dismiss either one of those statements.


True brother. However, can we agree there is concern about the Affrodable Care Act (Obamacare) considering the government's handling of USPS and it's record? Lol. ;)

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There are things the government does well. There are things private enterprise does well. Only extreme partisans dismiss either one of those statements.


True brother. However, can we agree there is concern about the Affrodable Care Act (Obamacare) considering the government's handling of USPS and it's record? Lol. ;)


Oh yeah! You probably don't want to get me started on THAT :crazy:

And this is off topic - but don't you just LOVE the names for these boondoggles the government types come up with? Affordable Care Act? You've gotta be kidding.

Blessings!
-Ed

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Numenian -

Do you realise that the government is the biggest of teh "big businesses"?

If you don't beleive me, look at the salaries of the people in power in comparison to the every day government worker. The every day government worker receives a lower salary than an equal employee of a non-government business.

I am sure there are more examples.

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Do we want to do away with all social programs? Is any and all socialism evil or at least unnecessary? Do we want all those who suffer and die in this country from lack of insurance to continue to do so? Is social darwinism preferable to socialism?


We need to reduce spending and we need to reform entitlements. There are milions of people living on social security and welfare that don't deserve them and need to be taken off the roles so they can get a job and become taxapayers.

No one has ever suffered and died from a lack of insurance because those without insurance live on the backs of those who end up paying higher premiums to make up for those who don't pay.

But Obamacare is really nothing but rationed healthcare. a beaurocratic bean counter decides what your sickness is "worth" in terms of dollars and you are rationed that amount of care and when you run out, you run out whether you got cured or not.

Not only that, but if you are too old and your medical needs are high, and the costs are high, it would less beneficial to the government to spend money on people who may nont live more than a few more years anyway. Better to spend those thousands on young producers and not on older consumers. That will be outcome of Obamacare.

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Speaking as someone who grew up in a country heavily affected by socialism/communism I can tell you it's not a pretty picture. Government programs are not the answer. There were also always lines at banks, post office, grocery store, and hospitals. Waiting in lines for 24 hours to see a doctor at the ER is not a pleasant experience. That's not even mentioning the waiting list for surgeries from the basic to the most complicated forms.

Governments are capable of doing many things... Chief amongst them is expanding the government. However, for the most part with some exceptions government is not efficient at managing people, resources, or other organizations.

My 2 cents.

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Speaking as someone who grew up in a country heavily affected by socialism/communism I can tell you it's not a pretty picture. Government programs are not the answer. There were also always lines at banks, post office, grocery store, and hospitals. Waiting in lines for 24 hours to see a doctor at the ER is not a pleasant experience. That's not even mentioning the waiting list for surgeries from the basic to the most complicated forms.

Governments are capable of doing many things... Chief amongst them is expanding the government. However, for the most part with some exceptions government is not efficient at managing people, resources, or other organizations.

My 2 cents.


That's right. Look at Sandy. Even people in New Orleans are still waiting on the gov't. some seven years, later.

Thomas Jefferson's view of the role of the Fed. Gov't. was to protect the borders, maintain good foreign relations and to deliver the mail. That's it. Oh if we could return to that philosophy of govt.




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