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Is Water Baptism Essential to Salvation?

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Is Water Baptism Essential to Salvation?

Must a person be baptized to be saved?

What is your understanding of this matter?

Why do you believe as you do?


(In case any wonder, my position is that water baptism is NOT essential to salvation. While I believe people should be baptized, their salvation is not determined by, nor dependent upon baptism.)

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Is Water Baptism Essential to Salvation?


To fulfill part of all that is righteous as Jesus said to John the Baptist prior to His baptism. This act and all acts of obedience demonstrate the desire which the Lord puts in the believer's heart to obey and to do(Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.) John the Apostle said in 1 John 2:28-29 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him. Obedience should be the desire of the heart for all Christians and is why Paul and others kept telling us to examine ourselves that we be in the faith. This passage here in 1 John tells us why it is important, that we be not ashamed at Jesus coming.

Must a person be baptized to be saved?


No, but if one willfully reject the first thing a believer should do without very good cause, that is no demonstration of a surrender heart. We can see in the NT days it was done speedily to new converts but I believe scripture plainly teaches that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness(remission). It says nothing of water baptism being a requirement. This is as good an example as any of which there are several which tells us how saints are cleansed: Rev 7:13-14 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

What is your understanding of this matter?

Why do you believe as you do?



The answers above state my convictions.

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Ephesians 4:5 tells us that to the Christian there is only one baptism which is concurrent and synonymous with our being regenerated (saved) "One Lord, one faith, one baptism...". Water Baptism is a commandment of the Lord to show in the nature/physical what has already happened in the spiritual. Baptism with water is a testimony to all what has happen before you step into the water of Baptism.

The word baptism has the idea of identified with or united to, God has identified us into Christ death, burial, and resurrection. Water baptism is a sign for a greater reality of what has already happened.

So, no Water Baptism is not essential to Salvation! The Baptism into Christ' death, burial, and resurrection is salvation.

It's like, does the wedding ring make you a husband or wife, or does the marriage license and ceremony? No God uses the natural to show the spiritual.

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Was Abraham taking his son up on a mountain and preparing to sacrifice him essential to his salvation? Did Jesus need to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness? Did Lehman have to dip himself in the Jordan 7 times to be cleansed of his leprosy? Is obedience to Jesus required to receive eternal life? Are we to make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all things that are commanded of Jesus in scripture?

Questions like these are not easily discerned. Many people I encounter believe that nothing is required on the part of the recipient of salvation except easy believism. We as people naturally seek a standard that we can apply in a legalistic manner to answer such questions as 'Is water baptism essential for salvation?'. I personally do not hold any rigid line but say that obedience is necessary for eternal life according to Hebrews 5. One either obeys sin or Christ according to Romans 6,7 and 8. Those are the two choices. We are merely servants who must serve someone according to Philippians 2. One must understand fully what it means to walk in the Spirit in order to understand the actual requirements of having eternal life. The Spirit of Jesus Christ is eternal life. One must have Christ to have life. I was saved from sin and given life through Christ who is in me and quickening my mortal flesh that I might have life and have it more abundantly. As part of following Christ in me, I submitted myself to a water baptism where I was identified with Christ's death, burial and resurrection as an outward sign of an inward change. I did it out of obedience to the Word of God as I had opportunity to do so. I merely suggest that anyone who has the opportunity to make application of anything in scripture towards their obedience to Christ, do so. Whether or not it is a salvation issue when you stand before him or not is between you and him in that day as he will decide whether or not you are his according to Matthew 7 and other texts. Why would one not want to obey Christ?

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http://www.worthychr...-for-salvation/

Who could ever forget that thread....some people think it is and is not all at the same time

I believe it is a command, but I disagree that in some cases it is necessary for salvation

If that sounds confusing, just click the link because I am pretty sure this thread will go the same way Posted Image

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Ephesians 4:5 tells us that to the Christian there is only one baptism which is concurrent and synonymous with our being regenerated (saved) "One Lord, one faith, one baptism...". Water Baptism is a commandment of the Lord to show in the nature/physical what has already happened in the spiritual. Baptism with water is a testimony to all what has happen before you step into the water of Baptism.



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Water baptism is not essentia to salvation. Baptism IS essential as an act of obedience, but it has no bearing on how a person is saved.. Being obedient to the commandment to be baptized in water is an evidence that one has truly committed their heart to the Lord and seek to serve Him with a sincere heart.

Salvation is Jesus plus nothing. People seek to add baptism to the work of the cross and they are theoloically mistaken for doing so.

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Baptisim is like a wedding ring, it is not essential to wear but in doing so it testifies of your union with another. That is the simpliest way I have heard it said.

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Baptisim is like a wedding ring, it is not essential to wear but in doing so it testifies of your union with another. That is the simpliest way I have heard it said.


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Baptisim is like a wedding ring, it is not essential to wear but in doing so it testifies of your union with another. That is the simpliest way I have heard it said.

That's a good way to look at it.

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Baptisim is like a wedding ring, it is not essential to wear but in doing so it testifies of your union with another. That is the simpliest way I have heard it said.

You perfected what I said, I like your way better.

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1. Is Water Baptism Essential to Salvation?


No.

2. Must a person be baptized to be saved?


No.

3. What is your understanding of this matter?


Salvation is through faith alone. It is 100% free to us and 100% costly to God – He gave His Only Begotten Son (Jesus) as an atoning (substitute) sacrifice for our sin. (See Rom. 5:1-2 and Eph. 2:8-9)

Rom. 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.


We are justified by faith in Jesus Christ. Not by faith and ceremony: See Rom. 4:1-11

Circumcision was a religious ceremony where one person (a priest, rabbi, father or male relative usually) performed the ceremony on another person (a son or young man). Likewise, baptism is a ceremony of eternal significance that is performed by one person (a pastor/priest) on another (a new Believer).

Baptism is a symbol of being buried with Christ and being raised to walk in new life with Him. It is a ceremony that represents an outward expression of an inward reality. It is said to representative (a picture if you will) of death in the old life. (See Rom. 6:3-5), the union with and in Christ (See Gal. 3:27), the cleansing of a person’s sins (See Acts 22:16), and the identification with the One being baptized into as is found in the OT with the Israelites who were baptized by Moses (See 1 Cor. 10:2).

Rom. 6:3-5
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,

Gal. 3:27
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Acts 22:16
16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’

1 Cor. 10:2
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

4. Why do you believe as you do?


See above. Baptism is the new outer expression replacing (circumcision) of the inward reality (salvation) that the Holy Spirit lives within a person and Jesus Christ is that person’s Lord and Savior.

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Something to consider - the Hebrews called it "immersion" - a common word - rather than "baptism" - a unique word to describe a religious practice.

Immersion in water was a common practice among the Jews. They would immerse themselves in pools of water before entering the Temple, for example. Immersion in water was also something the Jews just did to signify a cleansing of the heart, a change in devotion to the Lord, transitioning into a new "life" in devotion to the Lord.

Basically, immersion (baptism) was just something they did.

Thus, when it came to accepting and receiving Jesus and Messiah and Lord, immersing themselves was simply doing what they always did. There was no question of "why" or "is it essential", it was just a part of how they worshiped and how they lived.

So the question is, [i]why is baptism being questioned?"

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So the question is, [i]why is baptism being questioned?"


The OP clearly stated why and almost everyone knows that some people believe it is necessary before your sins are cleansed and many do not and the poster wanted to get peoples answers to their questions. It is a doctrinal question. That is what the forum is about, right?

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I wasn't going to get involved with this thread, for it is way too personal; it cost me two very dear friends from my early age. But I do need to share something with you all.

When I was a Junior in High School, a very good friend of mine went up in front of his Baptist Church on Wednesday night and professed his faith in Jesus, and confess with his mouth that Jesus from that time on was to be his Lord.

He was to be baptised on Sunday night as was the custom of his church. Long story short he was killed in a car wreck on Saturday afternoon.

Well, we had quite a discussion at school, but not like here, it got way beyond personal. I was raised in the Church of Christ and it was at that time when I had asked our pastor about it for I wasn't sure that I was told that he could not get into heaven, but neither could any of the other Baptists that attended his church...... unless they had been Baptised by someone who was a member of one of the Churches of Christ. Other denominations would say that he could not enter heaven for he was not baptised.

Well, it caused me to rebel and for about 16 months my actions will put God to the test as to whether or not he actually does forgive to the point of forgetting.

So I would ask you if God almighty would condemn a young Sophomore in High School who just happened to be born into a Baptist family and send him to hell?

And this I would add is not some made up story to make you think, it actually caused such a division in our people that it permanently disrupted friendships and sent me over the edge for some time.

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just to make sure you do see the question, I ask..... is God going to throw Joe into the fire because he didn't live long enough to be baptised???

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Jesus told one of the thieves on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise. I doubt the thief had a chance to get baptized.

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So the question is, [i]why is baptism being questioned?"


The OP clearly stated why and almost everyone knows that some people believe it is necessary before your sins are cleansed and many do not and the poster wanted to get peoples answers to their questions. It is a doctrinal question. That is what the forum is about, right?


Yikes, I wasn't attacking you or your question.

What you are asking is an old question, I know. What I'm asking is why the issue of the necessity of baptism ever became questioned in the first place. When did people start asking if baptism is necessary or not. Was it asked in the first century?

I am not challenging the OP. I am answering the question by trying to provoke some thinking.

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What you are asking is an old question, I know. What I'm asking is why the issue of the necessity of baptism ever became questioned in the first place. When did people start asking if baptism is necessary or not. Was it asked in the first century?


Hello Nebula,

The Ethiopian ( non Hebrew ) seemed to understand the importance of immersion. Maybe Phillip taught him this.

Act 8:36-38 KJV And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


I think you are correct in suggesting baptism was so familiar a practice that no one questioned it.

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Well it seems that everyone here is following the same pattern of thought.

How would you explain what these verses say about baptism?

1 Peter 3:18-21
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It says that just as Noah's family (eight souls) was saved by water, that baptism also saves us.




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