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Since we are hopelessly snowed in, TV has become a companion of mine.  Yesterday we watched some fairly controversial, yet interesting programs on demon possession and exorcism.

 

A comparison was made on one of these about the difference between how the U.S. views spiritual warfare compared to countries that have been more conditioned to understand the spiritual realm.

 

One preacher made the point of the effectiveness, or lack of it, based on our belief systems and how many in the west tend to ignore the devil, which seems to suit satan just fine.

 

I am interested to know what others believe and if anyone has thoughts on why America is lagging behind in this ministry?

 

Do you think average Christians in America are afraid?  Do these Christians not believe in deliverance ministries?

 

My concerns are that I see our country going downhill quickly and I wonder if it is because we are spiritually void?  Those in satanism and other cults seem very devoted to their religion and work.  Some seem to have more dedication than many Christians do.  

 

Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.

 

Yours in Jesus Christ, covered in His Blood and blessed by Him,

PrairWarur

 

 

 

 



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Since we are hopelessly snowed in, TV has become a companion of mine.  Yesterday we watched some fairly controversial, yet interesting programs on demon possession and exorcism.

 

A comparison was made on one of these about the difference between how the U.S. views spiritual warfare compared to countries that have been more conditioned to understand the spiritual realm.

 

One preacher made the point of the effectiveness, or lack of it, based on our belief systems and how many in the west tend to ignore the devil, which seems to suit satan just fine.

 

I am interested to know what others believe and if anyone has thoughts on why America is lagging behind in this ministry?

 

Do you think average Christians in America are afraid?  Do these Christians not believe in deliverance ministries?

 

My concerns are that I see our country going downhill quickly and I wonder if it is because we are spiritually void?  Those in satanism and other cults seem very devoted to their religion and work.  Some seem to have more dedication than many Christians do.  

 

Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.

 

Yours in Jesus Christ, covered in His Blood and blessed by Him,

PrairWarur

I stay away from that type of programming..It is creepy..



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Yes, it is a topic that is unsettling.  Stay away, though?  It did not seem so "creepy" to Jesus.  What do you think you would do if a possessed person approached you?  Could you take authority in the mighty Name of Jesus and by His Blood and give them deliverance?   I believe there are so many Scriptures on this topic because we are to be wise and understand our place and duties when, or if, we are ever confronted by this, or approached by someone who is in bondage and needs deliverance.  IMHO

 

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Well that's interesting, because there are entire shelves devoted to books about what people call the deliverance ministry in Christian book stores...the internet is replete with all kinds of

interpretations as well.

 

There is already a section on this topic in the forums here so it is not a new topic.

 

 

 

Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.

 

 

I'm not sure this is a new topic for you?  Are you saying you have no experience or expertise in this area?



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Yes, it is a relatively new area for me.  I did post in one of the other threads about a time God began to bring this to my attention and I was hesitant about exploring the issues, getting involved, or whatever terms are properly used here.  But, God had other plans and my education began.  

 

I was raised in a church that did not teach, nor speak too much about Holy Spirit power, or demonic influences, including possession, oppression, etc.  I have since been given quite an education on this topic, which I have to filter through God's Word, and ask questions to those who have more experience.  I read a lot, I listen, and I make up my own mind to the truth of the teaching and the relevance in my life.

 

Hope this answers your questions about me.

 

Peace to you,

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I believe there are demonic forces all around us.  Evil is present all around us. 



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Since we are hopelessly snowed in, TV has become a companion of mine.  Yesterday we watched some fairly controversial, yet interesting programs on demon possession and exorcism.
 
A comparison was made on one of these about the difference between how the U.S. views spiritual warfare compared to countries that have been more conditioned to understand the spiritual realm.
 
One preacher made the point of the effectiveness, or lack of it, based on our belief systems and how many in the west tend to ignore the devil, which seems to suit satan just fine.
 
I am interested to know what others believe and if anyone has thoughts on why America is lagging behind in this ministry?
 
Do you think average Christians in America are afraid?  Do these Christians not believe in deliverance ministries?
 
My concerns are that I see our country going downhill quickly and I wonder if it is because we are spiritually void?  Those in satanism and other cults seem very devoted to their religion and work.  Some seem to have more dedication than many Christians do.  
 
Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.
 
Yours in Jesus Christ, covered in His Blood and blessed by Him,
PrairWarur


I am not against it in theory, but like many medical conditions such as ADHD, possession can be overdiagnosed and the treatment, exorcism, can be quite deadly. Just like people used to call other people witches and have them burned for selfish and/or ignorant reasons, people have said that others are possessed for these same reasons. To the best of my limited knowledge, this is the reason why the Catholic church goes to great lengths nowadays to disprove that someone is possessed before an exorcism is called for. That someone simply needs psychiatric treatment is as far as I know the default position when there are claims of possession. This is far better than simply assuming that someone is possessed just because they appear to be or because one wants to believe or other such reasons, particularly given how deadly exorcisms can be. It is like capital punishment in that it can get very out of hand very quickly.

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Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.

 

Yours in Jesus Christ, covered in His Blood and blessed by Him,

PrairWarur

 

Considering our battles are against the principalities and powers of darkness I suggest it's beneficial for all Christians to be involved in spiritual warfare. As HumbleThinker suggests though it's important not to mistake physical or mental illness with devil activity and this is why complete medical diagnosis comes first.

 

satan is very good at hiding in plain sight.



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It seems to me that demonic possession was prevalent in the days of Christ, and less so in the days of the Apostles, but apart from that brief period of history it seems larger absent from scripture.

 

It is also striking that we are given no didactic teaching on how to identify it or deal with it in the word of God.

 

The devil is dangerous foe, and his servants are powerful, but he is also a defeated and bound enemy at this time.

 

To me that suggests that demon possession is not a common thing today, if it is even happening at all. Now whilst I am sure there are many well meaning folks involved in such 'ministries' My experiences of deliverance ministries amongst African churches that I am familiar with is that they are often abusive, sometimes physically, but frequently emotionally and spiritually.      



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Since we are hopelessly snowed in, TV has become a companion of mine.  Yesterday we watched some fairly controversial, yet interesting programs on demon possession and exorcism.

 

A comparison was made on one of these about the difference between how the U.S. views spiritual warfare compared to countries that have been more conditioned to understand the spiritual realm.

 

One preacher made the point of the effectiveness, or lack of it, based on our belief systems and how many in the west tend to ignore the devil, which seems to suit satan just fine.

 

I am interested to know what others believe and if anyone has thoughts on why America is lagging behind in this ministry?

 

Do you think average Christians in America are afraid?  Do these Christians not believe in deliverance ministries?

 

My concerns are that I see our country going downhill quickly and I wonder if it is because we are spiritually void?  Those in satanism and other cults seem very devoted to their religion and work.  Some seem to have more dedication than many Christians do.  

 

Any thoughts?  I would appreciate more understanding in this area and I read somewhere on these forums that there are those involved in spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry.  I would really like to hear about your experiences.

 

Yours in Jesus Christ, covered in His Blood and blessed by Him,

PrairWarur

 

Let me start by saying the 'deliverance ministry' is usually not exorcism. The deliverance ministries in the U.S. that I am aware of usually teach that Christians can not be possessed, and their ministry is to Christians. They believe that Christians can allow a demon to effect or oppress believers, and some objects you own, thoughts you have, former affiliations, can give demons an opening in your life. If you have a problem, it might be due to these openings which have allowed demons access to your life and possessions. So, deliverance ministries seek to eliminate these openings in a persons life to get rid of influence or oppression, but usually not exorcism for possession.

 

My issue is that deliverance ministries are so focused on what demons and Satan can do, that they talk very little about Jesus. The focus is off.

 

In scripture, while some is said about demons, and possession, there are also examples of ignoring the bluster of demons, unless they are disrupting what God wants to do. Christians are not demon chasers, but rather those who are there to do the will of God. God has allowed demons to remain in existence for now, until they are bound, and later caste into the lake of fire. Of course the demons are simply created beings, and there so called power is a joke compared to the power of God. If a demon gets in the way of what God wants done, well, it is not a big deal for God to take care of it.

 

In otherwords, the job of Christians is to do the will of the Father, and to bring and give Jesus glory. Chasing around demons, or focusing on demons is too often taking away from glorifying God. So, I do not like excessive focus on demons.   



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Blessings Prair Warur,

      Just as Qnts has said I too believe that those that claim their expertise is Spiritual Warfare tend to focus way too much on demons,acyually giving them more credit than they are worth mentioning & it does(in my opinion)detract from Gods Glory......Jesus & His disciples did not spend three days(or whatever) in corporate prayer,hollering & screaming in a major rolling around on the floor deliverance spectacle to deliver a "possessed "person....they simply used Christs Authority & told them it was time to go,of course just as Jesus explained to them when they had difficulty with one that that type required Prayer & fasting(which tells us that one must be walking I spirit & in truth & accessing the Power of the Holy Spirit with no hindrance from their own flesh......

       Firstly,it is very important to have discernment to be able to try the spirits....I would think it safe to say that many a Christian has been in the company off a possessed or oppressed individual & never even knew it................according to Gods Word all believers that are baptised of the Holy Spirit are able to cast out demons(by no power of their own)it is the Lord that has won this Victory & it is He that rebukes.......this is not something that anyone without experience or the Power of the Holy Spirit should undergo,the enemy is but a flea compared to God but for an unarmed,non Holy Ghost powered person they are much more powerful & not to be fooled with

       As far as why it seems America is so oblivious to Spiritual activity or warfare I would tend to think it is because America is a very young country,the Puritans came to a new land (the American Indian believes in spirits)bringing with them Christianity & their beliefs,maybe  aside from the Indians territories I am trying to say a young,unadulterated (or less)than the rest of the world?So I think Americans really have not witnessed much demonic activity compared to ancient inhabited lands......Not like ancient China or India that for centuries have been worshipping pagan gods......just my thoughts.

      Well,God Bless you,The Holy Spirit leads us ,guides us & will use us in whatever way He wants to if we are willing and obediant,,,,so whatever we are called to do He will show you what,where & when....you know you have been blessed in evangelizing & spreading Gods love,do it well with the Heart & Mind of Christ

                                                                                                                 With love,in Christ-Kwik



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Well said, (*(*( Kwik! )*)*)   Yes, it is important to not engage demons and never go in without the Holy Spirit's guidance and wisdom.  I have been taught too, the importance of mentioning the Blood of Jesus.  Demons tremble at the precious Name of Jesus and they flee when the Blood is brought up.  

 

As with all things, we are to be equipped with the Armor of God on a daily basis.  When demons see that armor they know who is in power.  Glory to God!  I have also been taught what is said in Jude when Michael addressed satan.  I will leave you with that Scripture.

 

Many blessings and much love to you, Dear Sister!

 

Peace to you now and throughout this brand new year!

 

Always in His care,

PrairWarur

 

 

Jude 1:8-10

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, (Adefile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile [aangelic majesties. 

But (BMichael (Cthe archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about (Dthe body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “(EThe Lord rebuke you!” 

10 But (Fthese men revile the things which they do not understand; and (Gthe things which they know by instinct, (Hlike unreasoning animals, by these things they are [bdestroyed.



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I will try to address all posts in one brief response.  Forgive me if I do not answer each question. 

 

((( Ninhao ))) I agree, the devil is good at hiding in plain sight and he is clever at fooling people, when possible, but we know our God and we are well equipped in this battle.  After-all, the work was completed at the Cross.  Amen

 

Considering what I see on the news, the crime and unspeakable acts, I wonder if Christians should be more aggressive towards battling the enemy?  It appears, for whatever reason, that a lot is ignored and few go into battle.

 

As is stated in Ephesians 6, we know the enemy and we are told exactly how to do battle.  I have noticed that the only piece of armor that is on the offense is the Sword of the Spirit, the Word of God.  All other parts are defensive tools.

 

As far as this issue being uncommon today, that may be because we do not recognize the spirit behind crimes committed, sicknesses, and other things that affect society negatively.  I took notice at the comment made by Kwik that sometimes we do not even know, or realize, when we have seen someone possessed or oppressed by these unholy spirits.  That is why I have prayed for a discerning spirit to help in recognizing someone in need of help and deliverance. 

 

Yes, I am aware there is another thread.  I only wanted to ask a few questions and get a better understanding and a sense of attitudes with the people here.  And, yes, I am somewhat new to this type of ministry, that is why I seek more wisdom and knowledge on the topic and what better way than to ask of those with experience?

 

I think it is important to understand that, as Jesus said, "This type come out only by fasting and prayer..."  Fasting is somewhat a new concept for me also.  I want to learn all that I can and understand how others approach these issues.  I know there are several ways to fast, and have been called to fast before.  I've discussed fasting with Christians who take it quite seriously and a few who fasted for as much as 40 days.  I am assuming the 40 days stems from the Scripture that describes when Jesus was in the wilderness fasting for 40 days.

 

Thank you so much to all of you for helping me understand.  Your posts have all been very beneficial.

 

Yours in Christ Jesus,

Prair






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