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I have been here for about a year and been reading and posting on here to almost everything.It is wonderful to have a place were follow Christians and even non- Christians can gather to talk about things. I do hope that what I am going to say is not taken negatively. But as you know we all come from different backgrounds and our believes are personal to us based on how we were raised and taught and our own personal relationship with Christ. This is all fine and well. But most of the time in the forms what I am seeing is people who are more interesting in telling others what is right and what is wrong and then demanding that everyone follow their believe because that is just the way it is to be. Instead of it being a place of learning from one another. It turns into a place where people are beat over the head with the Bible until they admit that they are wrong and I am right. I can see that I am most likely guilty of this myself from time to time.  So maybe all of us especially myself, need to keep this in mind and try to make this a place were we can learn from one another.  Any thoughts?

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I have been here for about a year and been reading and posting on here to almost everything.It is wonderful to have a place were follow Christians and even non- Christians can gather to talk about things. I do hope that what I am going to say is not taken negatively. But as you know we all come from different backgrounds and our believes are personal to us based on how we were raised and taught and our own personal relationship with Christ. This is all fine and well. But most of the time in the forms what I am seeing is people who are more interesting in telling others what is right and what is wrong and then demanding that everyone follow their believe because that is just the way it is to be. Instead of it being a place of learning from one another. It turns into a place where people are beat over the head with the Bible until they admit that they are wrong and I am right. I can see that I am most likely guilty of this myself from time to time.  So maybe all of us especially myself, need to keep this in mind and try to make this a place were we can learn from one another.  Any thoughts?

I am confused.First of all do you mean forums instead of forms?This is a Christian Messageboard.We all are going to have a different opinion about many Christian topics."Beating over the head with the Bible?".I don't know what you mean by that.The Bible and scripture are the most important part of our faith.If someone is totally out of line or offends me then I tell them so.That can be done in an appropriate way.You do not have to read the threads that offend you.Then you have the person who wants to get the last word in.Their opinion is the only right opinion.That is pride.The world is full of it.

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well thats because my opinion is the only one thats correct-didnt you know that?

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well thats because my opinion is the only one thats correct-didnt you know that?

 

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well thats because my opinion is the only one thats correct-didnt you know that?

No,but you are sure of that  :grin:

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This discussion forum is a lot more easy going than most sites.  We do not allow insulting or personal attacks, and if you happen to come across a post that does harbor such, report it so we can deal with it.  Keep in mind that iron sharpens iron, and sometimes, sparks will fly.  Any online forum will have heated discussions, just like in real life.  This does build character and can be a lesson in life when dealing with the world.
 
Just as in real life, you will find people who are arrogant and prideful, some with unteachable spirits, and some who just like to disagree for argument sake.  Yet, correcting people with scripture is scriptural, though the manner some do so could use polishing.
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Colossians 4:6
 

Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

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I have been here for about a year and been reading and posting on here to almost everything.It is wonderful to have a place were follow Christians and even non- Christians can gather to talk about things. I do hope that what I am going to say is not taken negatively. But as you know we all come from different backgrounds and our believes are personal to us based on how we were raised and taught and our own personal relationship with Christ. This is all fine and well. But most of the time in the forms what I am seeing is people who are more interesting in telling others what is right and what is wrong and then demanding that everyone follow their believe because that is just the way it is to be. Instead of it being a place of learning from one another. It turns into a place where people are beat over the head with the Bible until they admit that they are wrong and I am right. I can see that I am most likely guilty of this myself from time to time.  So maybe all of us especially myself, need to keep this in mind and try to make this a place were we can learn from one another.  Any thoughts?

I am confused.First of all do you mean forums instead of forms?This is a Christian Messageboard.We all are going to have a different opinion about many Christian topics."Beating over the head with the Bible?".I don't know what you mean by that.The Bible and scripture are the most important part of our faith.If someone is totally out of line or offends me then I tell them so.That can be done in an appropriate way.You do not have to read the threads that offend you.Then you have the person who wants to get the last word in.Their opinion is the only right opinion.That is pride.The world is full of it.

 

Just for the record I have not been offended by anyone here. If you do not see things the way I see things then that is how it is. I think my point has been missed. Different opinions are fine. I am by no means telling people to not share their opinions. But if someone says for example "Wearing the color pink is a sin"  the way I see it, that person is not trying to gain knowledge. They are trying to force others to see how right they are. This was by no means an attack on anyone. I just thought that we could better ourselves by taking a look at what we are saying to people, and what is our motive for us saying it. As I have said, I too am guilty of trying to force my believes upon others instead of learning from them I will be working on that.

 

And yes I see I forgot the letter "U" in Forum. I blame the keyboard.

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I have been here for about a year and been reading and posting on here to almost everything.It is wonderful to have a place were follow Christians and even non- Christians can gather to talk about things. I do hope that what I am going to say is not taken negatively. But as you know we all come from different backgrounds and our believes are personal to us based on how we were raised and taught and our own personal relationship with Christ. This is all fine and well. But most of the time in the forms what I am seeing is people who are more interesting in telling others what is right and what is wrong and then demanding that everyone follow their believe because that is just the way it is to be. Instead of it being a place of learning from one another. It turns into a place where people are beat over the head with the Bible until they admit that they are wrong and I am right. I can see that I am most likely guilty of this myself from time to time.  So maybe all of us especially myself, need to keep this in mind and try to make this a place were we can learn from one another.  Any thoughts?

I am confused.First of all do you mean forums instead of forms?This is a Christian Messageboard.We all are going to have a different opinion about many Christian topics."Beating over the head with the Bible?".I don't know what you mean by that.The Bible and scripture are the most important part of our faith.If someone is totally out of line or offends me then I tell them so.That can be done in an appropriate way.You do not have to read the threads that offend you.Then you have the person who wants to get the last word in.Their opinion is the only right opinion.That is pride.The world is full of it.

 

Just for the record I have not been offended by anyone here. If you do not see things the way I see things then that is how it is. I think my point has been missed. Different opinions are fine. I am by no means telling people to not share their opinions. But if someone says for example "Wearing the color pink is a sin"  the way I see it, that person is not trying to gain knowledge. They are trying to force others to see how right they are. This was by no means an attack on anyone. I just thought that we could better ourselves by taking a look at what we are saying to people, and what is our motive for us saying it. As I have said, I too am guilty of trying to force my believes upon others instead of learning from them I will be working on that.

 

And yes I see I forgot the letter "U" in Forum. I blame the keyboard.

 

If someone were to tell me that wearing pink is a sin I would try and defend that in a Godly way.If you do not let your defense come out it will stay inside and make you angry.I would not let the argument go on and on.Sometimes people just like to argue for some unknown reason. Bad keyboard  :grin:

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Quoting extremely long posts is a sin-genesis 51:2.

All humor and smart Alec comments aside I think one light hit the nail on the head. Iron sharpens iron and a good forum has all types, it would be boring If everyone debated the same way.

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I know what you mean LadyKay, it often get's to me too. We would think that us as Christians all believing in the same God would all be like minded and would agree on everything about the Bible. We will one day, when we are all reunited in heaven and made new, striped of all human defaults such as pride etc. It's kind of the same thing with everything else in life, say we put a group of people together who love milk chocolate. They will all have a different way to describe how milk chocolate affects their taste buds, and many different preferences on the way they like to eat milk chocolate. But in the end they still all love milk chocolate because chocolate is chocolate :noidea: 

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We should test everything against the Word, because it is the final truth.

 

But we often get members who can't do that because they don't have a good grounding in scripture, (or have not been filled with the Holy Spirit), and that is why the Ministry is here. When we approach the bible as an instruction manual, or a history book, or a keeper of hidden signs, we fall short of what God wrote the bible for. He told us all we need to know. And He wrote it for simple people like me to understand.

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Many years ago, when I first started to discuss on online forums, I learned very quickly that those who chose to communicate in such forums needed to have what is known as "thick skin", meaning not to be offended quickly.  The sites I ventured into at that time were not Christian sites, so flame wars were common.  When I did seek Christian Forums to discuss scripture, I found basically the same attitude, but with less graphic wording.  Then I found Worthy.  Worthy was not like the other sites I have been part of.  I came to expect a loving family, never having a mean word to say about another, always showing nothing but love.  When I did see I was wrong, I questioned those involved, which started a bit of a ruckus.  I was quick to learn that even Christians have strong words toward other Christians, and the tone is not always a pleasant one, more stern when needed, rebuking false teachings.

 

I will say that there will always be those whose zeal for the truth is overbearing at times, but is this really a fault?  Could it be that they have yet to learn how to communicate properly, in a  mature manner?  God know the heart of those who do so.  What may seem bad to us may just be a growing stage for another.

 

Be at peace with all and He may just allow you to see people grow in Christ through all this.

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Blessings LadyKay....

      I do understand exactly what you are saying ,I even know what you mean when you said "beating people over the head with the Bible",,,, some folks are still bound by pride & vanity which is the difference between self righteousness and righteousness(the righteousness of God)....... I think we have all gone through that stage & unfortunately some people may never get past it?We must pray for all who display this kind of behavior,hopefully when we consistently respond with love,it make make a difference................sometimes we must simply make a decision not to respond

     Worthy is a beautiful place to learn from one another,Blessed by God......there will always be opposition where the Word of God is spoken,the enemy hates it ,,,,,,but we are the Body of Christ and no weapon formed against us will prosper,God Bless our Worthy Family!We will see many come & go but I do believe  the Spirit filled children of God are here to stay...the "your wrong & I am right" people don't seem to last long-lol

     I am not here that long & have seen so much spiritual growth in some,people being Saved,miracles,Blessings,friendships formed,Wisdom shared,encouragement,prayer power,Praise & Worship........just  so much good that the little bit of pesky,argumentative few that are here,don't even make a dent.Just keep being you,LadyKay....you are a lovely Sister,Praise & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Let me put it this way. If I post on here "It Is A Sin To Wear Pink!" Then I proceed to tell you why it is a sin. I am not posting that to gain learning. I am trying to force you into believing what I believe. And no matter what you say, I am going to keep beating you over the head until you accept that I am right. Now on the other hand lets say I post "Is It A Sin To Wear Pink?" Then I proceed to say something like "well I think it may be a sin to wear pink but what do you guys thing?' I am seeking learning and not just trying to force my believes on everyone.

 

So you see, I just thought that maybe it would be a good thing if we just try to keep this in mind when we post. Of cores not everyone will abide by this I know. But maybe if a few of us can step back and think about this before we post maybe it will avoid endless debates that have no real out come.  I am just trying to help.

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Quote -- Let me put it this way. If I post on here "It Is A Sin To Wear Pink!" Then I proceed to tell you why it is a sin. I am not posting that to gain learning. I am trying to force you into believing what I believe. And no matter what you say, I am going to keep beating you over the head until you accept that I am right. Quote

 

What you describe can only happen if someone post a disagreement to the op. I see post that nobody answers just reads and moves on. takes two to tango.

 

 

 

 

quote -- Now on the other hand lets say I post "Is It A Sin To Wear Pink?" Then I proceed to say something like "well I think it may be a sin to wear pink but what do you guys thing?' I am seeking learning and not just trying to force my believes on everyone. --Quote

 

A question  can still backfire on you  the same as a statement; seen it before.

 

 

 

Quote -- So you see, I just thought that maybe it would be a good thing if we just try to keep this in mind when we post. Of cores not everyone will abide by this I know. But maybe if a few of us can step back and think about this before we post maybe it will avoid endless debates that have no real out come.  I am just trying to help. Quote

 

It would be a good thing ( sure would protect my thin skin ) I might be one that does not abide because thinking before i post slows me way down.

on a serious note with so many different people here; it is bound to happen that someone will disagree even. I think that is how we ended up with 

different denominations some thought one way and others thought another way. i say its like this turn it over and it like that.

 

 

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Well lady kay what u speak of is unavoidable. no matter what forum u go to u will see this some a lot more than others. i used to go to Christian chat a very popular christian forum and ppl posted a lot more than here but it was not a loving envirement like here. the bible discussion forum was the most popular part of it but no one discussed the bible there that place was an all out warzone i mean it was just brutal there. was very little love even though we called ourselves Christians. I tried to show everyone what was going on but they loved arguing far too much to listen.

This place however so far as i can tell is very easy going honestly the only thing i think could improve it is for ppl to post more often

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Let me put it this way. If I post on here "It Is A Sin To Wear Pink!" Then I proceed to tell you why it is a sin. I am not posting that to gain learning. I am trying to force you into believing what I believe. And no matter what you say, I am going to keep beating you over the head until you accept that I am right. Now on the other hand lets say I post "Is It A Sin To Wear Pink?" Then I proceed to say something like "well I think it may be a sin to wear pink but what do you guys thing?' I am seeking learning and not just trying to force my believes on everyone.

 

So you see, I just thought that maybe it would be a good thing if we just try to keep this in mind when we post. Of cores not everyone will abide by this I know. But maybe if a few of us can step back and think about this before we post maybe it will avoid endless debates that have no real out come.  I am just trying to help.

Exactly Lady.If you post "It is a sin to wear pink" you are right away saying that is what you believe no matter what anyone tells you.

But if you post "Is it a sin to wear pink" then you are inviting a discussion.No one feels threatened.There is always going to be someone who is going to argue and debate til the cows come home and want to get the last word in.

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If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!!!! But let's face it, the system is broke. The disciples never agreed to disagree, they even got up in one another face from time to time, 41,000 different Christians denominations across the world, but wasn't it Christ, Himself that said a house divided can NOT stand. There is not your interpretation of scripture and my interpretation that makes truth. If you teach your way and I teach my way (and they are not the same) in the same church there is only confusion to the ones learning, iron sharpens Iron but for the better;unity not the worse; division. sharpens means for the better/to improve. yeah ok The relationship with God can be an individual one, But His Word is Truth. The truth, the Way and the Life. not 41,000 different truths. If we all have gotten to the point, that we are all right, then we have made a full loop as spiritual history repeats, and everyone was doing what was right in their own eyes!! the Methodist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, the Baptist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, and the Pentecostal have their interpreted Bible and so on and so on. The foundation is Christ: what has been built on that foundation by 41,000 different teachings is confusion. not truth.

Eph 6:13-14
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
KJV

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If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!!!! But let's face it, the system is broke. The disciples never agreed to disagree, they even got up in one another face from time to time, 41,000 different Christians denominations across the world, but wasn't it Christ, Himself that said a house divided can NOT stand. There is not your interpretation of scripture and my interpretation that makes truth. If you teach your way and I teach my way (and they are not the same) in the same church there is only confusion to the ones learning, iron sharpens Iron but for the better;unity not the worse; division. sharpens means for the better/to improve. yeah ok The relationship with God can be an individual one, But His Word is Truth. The truth, the Way and the Life. not 41,000 different truths. If we all have gotten to the point, that we are all right, then we have made a full loop as spiritual history repeats, and everyone was doing what was right in their own eyes!! the Methodist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, the Baptist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, and the Pentecostal have their interpreted Bible and so on and so on. The foundation is Christ: what has been built on that foundation by 41,000 different teachings is confusion. not truth.

Eph 6:13-14

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

KJV

As long as a person knows their are many different interpretations and that their view is not the only view.

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If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!!!! But let's face it, the system is broke. The disciples never agreed to disagree, they even got up in one another face from time to time, 41,000 different Christians denominations across the world, but wasn't it Christ, Himself that said a house divided can NOT stand. There is not your interpretation of scripture and my interpretation that makes truth. If you teach your way and I teach my way (and they are not the same) in the same church there is only confusion to the ones learning, iron sharpens Iron but for the better;unity not the worse; division. sharpens means for the better/to improve. yeah ok The relationship with God can be an individual one, But His Word is Truth. The truth, the Way and the Life. not 41,000 different truths. If we all have gotten to the point, that we are all right, then we have made a full loop as spiritual history repeats, and everyone was doing what was right in their own eyes!! the Methodist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, the Baptist have their interpreted Bible that teaches their doctrine, and the Pentecostal have their interpreted Bible and so on and so on. The foundation is Christ: what has been built on that foundation by 41,000 different teachings is confusion. not truth.

Eph 6:13-14

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

KJV

As long as a person knows their are many different interpretations and that their view is not the only view.

And as long as their view and interpretation doesn't deviate one from truth, and if it does, it's when we have to try to correct it in a humble way. And that's how debates start lol
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I am the Way, the truth, THE TRUTH, is what Jesus said about himself.  the understanding we can be divided and still all be right is the problem; truth does not come from different interpretations, there has to be ONE Way, One truth, and one Life, not many ways lead into the Father, No man cometh unto the Father But By ONE way. Not many truths will lead us to that path But ONE truth. Jesus Himself, Made Christianity Based On the Christian faith is right and the rest is wrong, Jesus Said if you love me Keep my commandments/ follow my teachings, how can one follow the teachings of Christ, if 41,000 disagree on what that teaching is?  What kind of legal system would we have In the united states if we had 41,000 different interpretations of the Speed Limit, or 41,000 different definitions on what murder is?  Is God going to open the Baptist book when all are judged or the Pentecostal books or so on and so on.   we are all of the Same Spirit. we are all workmanship of Christ, So the Spirit tells 41,000 different groups what truth is, But that truth divides the groups? There are some that teach faith By grace, others teach faith plus works, scriptures says that even if an angel comes with another gospel, let them be accursed, which is not another gospel(for there is only One gospel(ONE WAY)) so two interpretations of the Gospel ; faith Plus works. or faith alone by Grace through faith, and not that of ourselves! Both can't be right so which one is taught in the 41,000  denominations? BOTH!!!! I mean forget if we are lead by the Spirit to speak in tongues or not, or if God will call a woman to pastor, or if we can drink wine or not. But If scriptures says there is only one gospel, will the Spirit of God teach two interpretations of that gospel? so now as with a non believer, are we to respect them enough to let them believe what they will, or we to love them enough not to let them play in the road  to destruction, and show them the way to life everlasting. so if we have to agree to disagree on the plan of salvation( to keep peace among the brethren and our Christian forums), that Christ paid it all or that He left just a little for us to pay through works.  shouldn't we at least agree which interpretation of the Gospel the Church is to preach? and if there is One Gospel shouldn't we be concerned for those that have a false interpretation of that Gospel? No I believe I have the Only way to the Father, I with all my heart believe that I must defend that belief with all my heart. now when we can come to agreement on which interpretation of the Gospel the Church should preach then maybe we can work on some of the other little divisions of the Body of Christ/The Church!

 

Eph 4:1-5
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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shouldn't we at least agree which interpretation of the Gospel the Church is to preach? and if there is One Gospel shouldn't we be concerned for those that have a false interpretation of that Gospel?

How is what you ask any different than what others have asked, which is the reason why there are so many denominations? I understand what you are saying, and I do agree with there being only one truth. Keep in mind that everyone is still growing in Him, learning right from wrong every day, so no matter if we all sit in one denomination, there will be as may questions and ideas of what scripture is saying as there are people. The only way to avoid this is if everyone thought exactly the same, and since we don't, we have to accept that others will have different opinions as they continue their walk in Him.

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The only way to avoid this is if everyone thought exactly the same, and since we don't, we have to accept that others will have different opinions as they continue their walk in Him.

to accept that others will have different opinions on how we are saved is to accept that some will be deceived and will burn. Ok not all will be saved, but that doesn't mean we should be ok with it as to just sit back and do nothing. we are to preach the Gospel, if the Church can't agree on what the Gospel is, then what do we preach? scripture doesn't say to accept different gospels but let them that bring another gospel to be accursed, there is a whole denomination that preaches without water baptism, one can not be saved, there is another that preaches 7 sacraments is what saves us. so we tolerate other gospels within the Church. Salvation is not something that comes with spiritual maturity. it doesn't come with greater knowledge. Which Gospel that was to be preached was supposed to been settled in the 1500's with the Protestant Reformation. To believe that works plus faith should put those Churches back under Catholicism. But to believe that salvation comes through faith alone with divine Grace is considered to be a heretic by the Catholic Church. each side believe that they were right and the other side was wrong, and was even willing to die for their faith. But today we are taught not only to embrace the other side but to allow their teachings in the Church to deceive many. some of the saddest scriptures to me are the ones that tell about those that thought their works should be what gets them into heaven, But Jesus look at the great works we have done in your name. to preach against false teachings, makes me judgmental or tags me as "I am right and anything else is wrong" or if it even tags me as a heretic in 40,999 churches, then let it be: as long as I don't have the blood of some of those that are deceived on my hands when I get there, I can live with whatever you want to tag me. people say we must accept other doctrines within the Christian Churches, for all of us will have to get along with each other in Heaven one day! WILL WE???

Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

KJV

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@ HisDisciple.. I think Onelight means we have to accept that others will have different opinions as they continue "their walk in Him". Meaning some are still growing and learning and have different opinions on how they understand the Word, because let's face it that the Word takes quite a bit of studying to understand it correctly. Although just about everyone of us "don't" have different opinions on how we get saved, I think as Christians we all agree on how we become saved because it's our base foundation. But yes every now and then we'll have someone who gets the saving part wrong, and those are the ones who we need to make sure are corrected, such as the examples you mentioned: "denomination that preaches without water baptism one can not be saved, there is another that preaches 7 sacraments is what saves us"..

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oh, I fully understand that some mature faster than others, and some may not ever grow much in Christ, But I am Addressing the OP, I would rather beat someone over the head with A bible Than to let them Burn. Now I wouldn't really beat someone with the Bible. However there has to be truth concerning all spiritual things, say as drinking wine, the Bishops can't have any wine, while a deacon can have a little wine, now if we preach as some do, that this is not fermented wine, then ok. but that means that a bishop can't ever drink grape juice!!! And the problem comes when you point this out and They still won't go with the truth, because what they have been taught, and with most we make scripture fit our denominational doctrines instead of making our denominational doctrines fit true Biblical doctrine. and Unity among the brethren is not to agree to disagree, we have to have truth, something has to be the right way or right thing. Now I don't have all the answers God is not done with me yet either. But we should be able to defend our faith from scriptures.   

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