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Can particioation in a local church be contrary to the Christian faith?
 

If we are the Body of Christ how can a thumb survive on his own? How does the kidney function without the liver, heart, lungs, etc?

Can a Believer be an island and effectively serve God?

What does Scripture say?
 

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God bless,

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No man is an island in the Kingdom of God.   

You need other believers to build you up and sharpen you.

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No man is an island in the Kingdom of God.   

You need other believers to build you up and sharpen you.

 

Amen brother!

 

Song: to listen)

 

NO MAN IS AN ISLAND

 

I won’t run, I will stay

I’m not leaving you

I know there’s friction here

The struggle makes us new

 

I wish you never thought you had to go

Wish you never thought you had to leave

Together we can lift each other up

We can build a shelter for the weak

 

No man is an island, we can be found

No man is an island, let your guard down

You don’t have to fight me, I am for you

We’re not meant to live this life alone

 

I see fear in your eyes

There’s no safety here

Oh, my friend, let me in

I will share your tears

 

I wish you never thought you had to go

I wish you never thought you had to leave

We can always lift each other up

We can build a shelter for the weak, come on

 

No man is an island, we can be found

No man is an island, let your guard down

Please don’t try to fight me, I am for you

We’re not meant to live this life alone

 

Through trouble, rain, or fire

Let’s reach out to something higher

Ain’t no life outside each other

We are not alone

Through trouble, rain, or fire

Let’s reach out to something higher

Eyes open to one another

We are not alone

 

No man is alone

Why you try to fight me

We don’t have to do it alone

We don’t have to do it alone

We don’t have to do it alone

 

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If I can't have my way I'm leaving.

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If I feel offended I'm leaving.

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I wouldn't pick these worship songs so I'm leaving.

Is it part of American culture to leave, or do all cultures find this many reasons to give up on each other?

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Phil 2:9-12

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

KJV

no I do not believe it is necessary to belong to a Church Group, however I also do not believe that it is contrary to the Faith if one does so.

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Phil 2:9-12

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

KJV

no I do not believe it is necessary to belong to a Church Group, however I also do not believe that it is contrary to the Faith if one does so.

 

 

I would tend to agree.

 

For some reason, along the way, assembling together came to be viewed as a formal Sunday service with an ordained pastor etc. Assembling together does not mean church as we know it today. That did not exist when Philipians 2 was written. At the same time, todays churches can be a way to assemble. Maybe not as effective as a group of Christians gathering together to eat together, and automatically, Christian, and scriptural topics are discussed, but church services are still a time of a form of gathering/assembling.   

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Can particioation in a local church be contrary to the Christian faith?

 

If we are the Body of Christ how can a thumb survive on his own? How does the kidney function without the liver, heart, lungs, etc?

Can a Believer be an island and effectively serve God?

What does Scripture say?

 

This is something that came up

God bless,

GE

I simply dont go to church because my beliefs are different.  Its like you can believe what you believe, but me and you have completely different views about Jesus.  So I reject them and I expect them to reject me.  Now on the other hand I dont mind gathering with like minded people who believe in God.  I am against gathering with people of a different faith.  Not that they don't believe in Jesus, but Catholics, Mormons and JWs believe in Jesus too but its obvious they believe in a different version.  

 

I haven't been to church since I was 'born again' on my 21st birthday.  I have spiritually improved a great deal since then.  

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I guess I have a different perception to many as to what church is. Sunday services are a part of church, but they are not all of church.

 

We meet on a regular basis, just as friends might, some planned, many not. It's like family, centered around a love of Jesus.

 

For instance this week: today a spontaneous get together of some of the women for my wife's birthday, tonight a prayer meeting, tomorrow night a leaders meeting and a meal, Thursday night a barbecue that we arranged at church last Sunday, just because we want to hang out together.  Saturday, someone may phone and say let's have coffee.

 

Like I said, church is so much more than a Sunday service.

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If I can't have my way I'm leaving.

Or

If I feel offended I'm leaving.

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I wouldn't pick these worship songs so I'm leaving.

Is it part of American culture to leave, or do all cultures find this many reasons to give up on each other?

 

Perhaps it is beceause of the focus of the American culture on "indivualism" ( A) the belief that the needs of each person are more important than the needs of the whole society or group or B) the actions or attitudes of a person who does things without being concerned about what other people will think) instead of "collectivism" (emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity) which has been the norm in many cultures and still is in many cultures today.

Think about it. People farm out the care of their children and parents in order to have dual income families.

This boils over into "Jesus came to die for me" mentality instead of "Jesus came to die for us". There's a song Above All which basically states that Jesus thought of "me" above all at the cross. What about God's glory? What about all other sinners out there? Food for thought.

God bless,

GE

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I simply dont go to church because my beliefs are different.  Its like you can believe what you believe, but me and you have completely different views about Jesus.  So I reject them and I expect them to reject me.  Now on the other hand I dont mind gathering with like minded people who believe in God.  I am against gathering with people of a different faith.  Not that they don't believe in Jesus, but Catholics, Mormons and JWs believe in Jesus too but its obvious they believe in a different version.  

 

I haven't been to church since I was 'born again' on my 21st birthday.  I have spiritually improved a great deal since then.  

How do we have different views of Jesus? Is Jesus not the Son of God? Did he not die on a cross and rise again on the 3rd day? 

Curious how do you know my views? 

What is the difference between gathering with like minded people who believe in God and going to a local church?

God bless, 

GE

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I guess I have a different perception to many as to what church is. Sunday services are a part of church, but they are not all of church.

 

We meet on a regular basis, just as friends might, some planned, many not. It's like family, centered around a love of Jesus.

 

For instance this week: today a spontaneous get together of some of the women for my wife's birthday, tonight a prayer meeting, tomorrow night a leaders meeting and a meal, Thursday night a barbecue that we arranged at church last Sunday, just because we want to hang out together.  Saturday, someone may phone and say let's have coffee.

 

Like I said, church is so much more than a Sunday service.

 

Good examples brother! :thumbsup:

I agree.

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I guess I have a different perception to many as to what church is. Sunday services are a part of church, but they are not all of church.

 

We meet on a regular basis, just as friends might, some planned, many not. It's like family, centered around a love of Jesus.

 

For instance this week: today a spontaneous get together of some of the women for my wife's birthday, tonight a prayer meeting, tomorrow night a leaders meeting and a meal, Thursday night a barbecue that we arranged at church last Sunday, just because we want to hang out together.  Saturday, someone may phone and say let's have coffee.

 

Like I said, church is so much more than a Sunday service.

 

Church used to be like that here in the US. Its not any more, for the most part. (Everyone else's mileage may vary, but this is my personal experience in the US.)

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Matthew 18:20 comes to mind.

For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.

Being in Him does not require a specific building at a specific time, it means living in Christ 24/7/365/6. That is the church, as we all, who are His, continue to work together to do His will. If I am walking with a brother or sister, Christ is there. If I have a coffee with someone in His body, He is there. Man has placed God in the physical box of a building, trying to place a requirement on Christians that if you are His, you will be there. If you are not, than you are in question.

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Matthew 18:20 comes to mind.

For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.

Being in Him does not require a specific building at a specific time, it means living in Christ 24/7/365/6. That is the church, as we all, who are His, continue to work together to do His will. If I am walking with a brother or sister, Christ is there. If I have a coffee with someone in His body, He is there. Man has placed God in the physical box of a building, trying to place a requirement on Christians that if you are His, you will be there. If you are not, than you are in question.

 

I agree with what you say brother.

Doesn't the passage you quoted though have more to do with Church discipline?

 

Matt. 5:15-20

If Your Brother Sins Against You

15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

God bless,

GE

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Hebrews 10:24-25 comes to mind.

 

But I would say that in today's world a man can exhort and be exhorted as this passage commands without being in the physical presence of people in a church building; while certain ministries of the body of Christ are primarily done through physical presence such as the laying on of hands which is said to be completely basic to the faith in Hebrews 6:1-2 while I don't see very many churches practicing it: the only church I have ever seen that does so is The Mountain which began in South Carolina and is spreading to other states, formerly called Mountain of Worship.

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Hebrews 10:24-25 comes to mind.

 

But I would say that in today's world a man can exhort and be exhorted as this passage commands without being in the physical presence of people in a church building; while certain ministries of the body of Christ are primarily done through physical presence such as the laying on of hands which is said to be completely basic to the faith in Hebrews 6:1-2 while I don't see very many churches practicing it: the only church I have ever seen that does so is The Mountain which began in South Carolina and is spreading to other states, formerly called Mountain of Worship.

My church lays hands and the elders pray for healing when healing is needed. We anoint with oil at times as well.

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Hebrews 10:24-25 comes to mind.

 

But I would say that in today's world a man can exhort and be exhorted as this passage commands without being in the physical presence of people in a church building; while certain ministries of the body of Christ are primarily done through physical presence such as the laying on of hands which is said to be completely basic to the faith in Hebrews 6:1-2 while I don't see very many churches practicing it: the only church I have ever seen that does so is The Mountain which began in South Carolina and is spreading to other states, formerly called Mountain of Worship.

My church lays hands and the elders pray for healing when healing is needed. We anoint with oil at times as well.

 

 

Awesome.  What about for the impartation of spiritual gifts?

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A church is a house of worship.

A club is a place to have fun and picnics. 

 

If a church keep you bogged down on the milk, and has become pools of water. 

Come out quickly,she is holding you back spiritually. Pools of water do stagnate.

Go and study at home and ask the Hs to guide you.

Worthy christians is a good place to find the answers. 

 

Many churches have become pools of water,that dont flow.

The HS is flowing spititual water. Knowledge must increase in time.

Everyone according to his time spend,in seeking the scriptures.

 

jesse.

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It's necessary as a Christian to gather/fellowship with other Christians.

 

Hebrews 10:25King James Version (KJV) 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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Blessings Golden Eagle...

    A month ago I probably would have said that participation at my church could not possibly be contrary to the Christian faith,but today ......I am saying yes,,,,,yes church gatherings can even be all smoke & mirrors....a place to praise & worship with others & that is always good but as the Body of Christ

    Well,let me just say that the Body of Christ,which is "the Church" is comprised of individuals that work together effectively & function to serve & extol each other..........we here at Worthy are the Body of Christ,serving in this Ministry & united by our faith in the knowledge of our Lord & Savior Christ Jesus.....we build each other up,we  love one another & want to be there for each other ,we reason together,we spread the Gospel to others ,we extol each other,we Glorify God & speak to each other in Psalms & hymns & Spiritual songs.......24/7....not one day a week,it is the mind ,heart & souls of each of us that are on one accord with the others & Christ is our Head........we gather most everyday....

     I can be standing in line at the supermarket & realize I am short a dollar & the gal behind me says."Oh here,I have a dollar" & I say "thank You praise the Lord"....she responds "Amen my Sister"& in the parking lot we praise God for over 20 minutes & we know we are part of that same Body.....It is having the Heart & Mind of Christ as we walk in Spirit & in Truth..............it is all about LOVE,before you know it my supermarket aquaintence & I are handing out tracks together the next weekend & we are sisters for the rest of eternity!!!!!!

   You see,over a month ago I went to my Pastor & my Sisters in church to tell them that July 18th I was having foot surgery & I would not be able to teach Bible Study on my assigned days & to request help at my house because I live alone ,have no family near & I will be unable to walk at all the first week (strictly bed)& the 2nd & third week will be minimal walking also(,allowed 5 minutes,10 times a day)no weight bearing down(10-12 weeks recovery)/........Pastor & the ladies assured me I would have all the help I need,long story short,no one came....I was alone,me & Jesus.....it is now the 4th week ,the worst over ,thanks be to God!

     My point is,where was the love?the leg was literally by itself ,there was no foot to carry it,the arms  & hands & hips and ears & lips all were elsewhere but they did not help the leg to function ,,,,my church had no body parts to come to the aid of the leg,not one......I would say that is completely contrary to the Christian Faith....there is more to life than Sundays & Wednesdays ......can you imagine ,out of about 3oo people ,not one person from my church cared enough to help me out?Needless to say,I do not want to be part of a congregation that only loves me 2 days a week....my old church is where I will praise & worship....You're right GE,the thumb cannot survive on its own & thank God I do have a couple of Sisters in Christ that are part of the Body of Christ and it has nothing to do with church....sure,you will find some members of Christ Body that are His church ,at church ....I think you know what I am saying. I was greatly disappointed,saddened but my eyes were really opened.....they are not serving God,they are serving themselves,by themselves....hooting ,hollering,singing & having youth activities is not Christ church. I never thought there would be so many hypocrites under one roof,WOW

     Anyway,this does not leave me with a bad taste for attending a house of prayer & worship,fellowshipping or serving as I can....but it sure does make me take a closer look .                                                                                                                                         With love-inChrist,Kwik

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Hi Golden Eagle,

 

You started with this very interesting & important question.

 

`Can participation  in a local church be contrary to the Christian faith?`

 

It was good to read people`s comments relating to what really is `the church.` Personally I believe that just attending a public formal meeting run by an organisation is not a requirement to belong to the Body of Christ. However your question does bring up the point `what is the local church.` If it is the organisation then over here in Australia we are seeing more & more control & emotional abuse by leaders, (lording it over, because we have the power) & thus it would be contrary to the Christian faith to put one`s self under that particular group.

 

`For you bear with anyone if he enslaves you, if he devours you, if he takes advantage of you, if he exalts himself, if he hits you in the face.` (2 Cor. 11: 20)

 

If the `local church,` is as the Bible tells us, believers gathering in all sorts of ways to encourage, edify, reach out to others, then we would find ourselves drawn to our brothers & sisters, as each are set in the Body by the Holy Spirit & we cannot operate, as others have said, without each other. 

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Hi Golden Eagle,

 

You started with this very interesting & important question.

 

`Can participation  in a local church be contrary to the Christian faith?`

 

It was good to read people`s comments relating to what really is `the church.` Personally I believe that just attending a public formal meeting run by an organisation is not a requirement to belong to the Body of Christ. However your question does bring up the point `what is the local church.` If it is the organisation then over here in Australia we are seeing more & more control & emotional abuse by leaders, (lording it over, because we have the power) & thus it would be contrary to the Christian faith to put one`s self under that particular group.

 

`For you bear with anyone if he enslaves you, if he devours you, if he takes advantage of you, if he exalts himself, if he hits you in the face.` (2 Cor. 11: 20)

 

If the `local church,` is as the Bible tells us, believers gathering in all sorts of ways to encourage, edify, reach out to others, then we would find ourselves drawn to our brothers & sisters, as each are set in the Body by the Holy Spirit & we cannot operate, as others have said, without each other. 

Isn't Vineyard or Hillsong that is from Australia?

I agree we cannot operate without each other. :thumbsup:

Proverbs 27:17

As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.

Amen!

God bless,

GE

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It's necessary as a Christian to gather/fellowship with other Christians.

 

Hebrews 10:25King James Version (KJV) 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

What about Believers who don't gather/fellowship with other Believers?

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Hebrews 10:24-25 comes to mind.

 

But I would say that in today's world a man can exhort and be exhorted as this passage commands without being in the physical presence of people in a church building; while certain ministries of the body of Christ are primarily done through physical presence such as the laying on of hands which is said to be completely basic to the faith in Hebrews 6:1-2 while I don't see very many churches practicing it: the only church I have ever seen that does so is The Mountain which began in South Carolina and is spreading to other states, formerly called Mountain of Worship.

My church lays hands and the elders pray for healing when healing is needed. We anoint with oil at times as well.

 

 

Awesome.  What about for the impartation of spiritual gifts?

 

Spiritual gifts are given by the Holy Spirit at the Holy Spirit's discretion for the edification of the Body of Christ. Wouldn't you agree?

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A church is a house of worship.

A club is a place to have fun and picnics. 

 

If a church keep you bogged down on the milk, and has become pools of water. 

Come out quickly,she is holding you back spiritually. Pools of water do stagnate.

Go and study at home and ask the Hs to guide you.

Worthy christians is a good place to find the answers. 

 

Many churches have become pools of water,that dont flow.

The HS is flowing spititual water. Knowledge must increase in time.

Everyone according to his time spend,in seeking the scriptures.

 

jesse.

Hey Jesse so are you saying that one cannot get meat when going to or participating in the local church?

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