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about half the population would disagree that it's wrong. Actually those same people would think it is wrong because I don't need a job to live a decent life. Go figure....... we all have our own definitions of what's right and wrong, The Bible tells me to give to the governing authority what is theirs. So who gets to decide what's theirs?

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then they will take wealth from those of us who really can afford it to pay for those who can't......

...... and this is commonly called theft.

Theft is when you do that illegally. Unfortunately they passed laws through people we elected into office to do so legally...... we both may and do disagree with it, but it is not theft

No, actually, it is Theft!

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I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty.

Not to worry, though.

The Obamas, Reids, McCains, Pelosi's, the rest of the ruling class, and the Hollywood elites either have taxpayer paid for armed security, or they live in gated communities.

It's good to know our "superiors" and the beautiful people won't be affected by the riots that are surely coming.

{sarcasm INTENDED}

Blessings!

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I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty.

What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality.

Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism?

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I disagree with that. The government, may define the law, but it doesnt define, right and wrong, the Bible defines right and wrong. Thou shalt not steal, is in the Bible. That is theft. If the government says its legal, it may be legal theft, but its still wrong, and still theft.

These are Jesus' words on paying taxes to the secular authorities

15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality. 17 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away.

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I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty.

What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality.

Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism?

You severly misunderstand American culture.

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amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today.

We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority.

However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now.

but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply.

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I disagree with that. The government, may define the law, but it doesnt define, right and wrong, the Bible defines right and wrong. Thou shalt not steal, is in the Bible. That is theft. If the government says its legal, it may be legal theft, but its still wrong, and still theft.

These are Jesus' words on paying taxes to the secular authorities

15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality. 17 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away.

Does that mean that we should disobey God and support Federally Funded Abortions? Should we obey God or man? Should we business owners in the U.S. disobey God and pay for Insurance plans that violate our Faith in support of abortifacients?

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If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available

Unfortunately, the "political structure available" is far too corrupted. I'm not going to even try to convince you of that, but it is.

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amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today.

We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority.

However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now.

but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply.

What constitutional hurdles remain? whether you like it or not the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbitrator and affirms the constitutionallegality of this law legality. Some of you might not agree, but since you aren't Supreme Court justices or Congressmen or the President your not in a position to do anything to stop these laws coming into force. As to my use of the Bible. Well the currency you use is issued by the governing powers as was the currency in Rome. Furthermore the Roman regime had no Constitutional checks and balances, was tyrannical and extremly violent. Remember it was they who went on to crucify Jesus. You may not like your modern Caesars but it is still them that issue and control the money in your wallets an bank accounts. One of the things Jesus teaches us is to detach ourselves from materialist obsessions

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I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty.

What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality.

Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism?

You severly misunderstand American culture.

Your cultural backgroud is irrelevant. I challenge the belief that in a situation such as this that resorting to violence is an acceptable and indeed Christian option. If you wish to protest do so there are plenty of effective non-viloent ways of getting your message across.

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If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available

Unfortunately, the "political structure available" is far too corrupted. I'm not going to even try to convince you of that, but it is.

At the risk of being accused of "pro-Americanism" I would point out that its far better and much less corrupt than in most parts of the world and at most points in the past history of the USA.

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amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today.

We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority.

However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now.

but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply.

What constitutional hurdles remain? whether you like it or not the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbitrator and affirms the constitutionallegality of this law legality. Some of you might not agree, but since you aren't Supreme Court justices or Congressmen or the President your not in a position to do anything to stop these laws coming into force. As to my use of the Bible. Well the currency you use is issued by the governing powers as was the currency in Rome. Furthermore the Roman regime had no Constitutional checks and balances, was tyrannical and extremly violent. Remember it was they who went on to crucify Jesus. You may not like your modern Caesars but it is still them that issue and control the money in your wallets an bank accounts. One of the things Jesus teaches us is to detach ourselves from materialist obsessions

LoL in reality Evelyn Rothschild has more to do with the money in my wallet than does any US politician.

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I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty.

What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality.

Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism?

You severly misunderstand American culture.

Your cultural backgroud is irrelevant. I challenge the belief that in a situation such as this that resorting to violence is an acceptable and indeed Christian option. If you wish to protest do so there are plenty of effective non-viloent ways of getting your message across.

Pacifism is a Foreign concept in scripture.

By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not.

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By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not.

Whatever I think is irrelevant, such behaviour would be wrong, because you clearly do not live under an oppresive government, but one with a very clear popular mandate to govern and legislate.

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By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not.

Whatever I think is irrelevant, such behaviour would be wrong.

According to whom?

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amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today.

We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority.

However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now.

but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply.

What constitutional hurdles remain? whether you like it or not the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbitrator and affirms the constitutionallegality of this law legality. Some of you might not agree, but since you aren't Supreme Court justices or Congressmen or the President your not in a position to do anything to stop these laws coming into force. As to my use of the Bible. Well the currency you use is issued by the governing powers as was the currency in Rome. Furthermore the Roman regime had no Constitutional checks and balances, was tyrannical and extremly violent. Remember it was they who went on to crucify Jesus. You may not like your modern Caesars but it is still them that issue and control the money in your wallets an bank accounts. One of the things Jesus teaches us is to detach ourselves from materialist obsessions

LoL in reality Evelyn Rothschild has more to do with the money in my wallet than does any US politician.

Google Evelyn Rothschild and you'll mainly antisemitic conspiracy sites claiming that he is part of a secret cabal who control the world, rather nasty stuff!

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By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not.

Whatever I think is irrelevant, such behaviour would be wrong.

According to whom?

The teaching of Jesus! What Christian justification could you find for murdering, becausing using arms against them would presumably lead to death, government officials going about their business. THis law has been introduced by your President, passed by your congress and declared constitutional by your Supreme Court. However unhappy you might be about it terrorism is not a solution.

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By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not.

Whatever I think is irrelevant, such behaviour would be wrong.

According to whom?

The teaching of Jesus! What Christian justification could you find for murdering, becausing using arms against them would presumably lead to death, government officials going about their business. THis law has been introduced by your President, passed by your congress and declared constitutional by your Supreme Court. However unhappy you might be about it terrorism is not a solution.

I've already stated that Pacifism is a foreign concept in Christian Scripture.

I'm telling you that from a cultural context that Americans are not going to stand for this and who said anything about Christians? Not all Americans are Christian. You appear to be looking at this from the context of a European Socialist steeped in the ideals of Pacifism and emboldened by the ideology of indentured servitude, but that's not the American Ideal or Cultural context and it's definately not the Christianity that I subscribe to.

Had men like William Wilberforce subscribed to your wrong headed view of Christianity we'd still have slavery.

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The teaching of Jesus! What Christian justification could you find for murdering, becausing using arms against them would presumably lead to death, government officials going about their business. THis law has been introduced by your President, passed by your congress and declared constitutional by your Supreme Court. However unhappy you might be about it terrorism is not a solution.

What was your position on the Egyptian uprising again?

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Mubarak was a dictator the USA is a functioning democracy. obama was very clearly chosen as President by his cocitizens 4 months ago

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anyway wasn't Mcveigh the last American "patriot" to take up arms against self-perceived" government tyrany.

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anyway wasn't Mcveigh the last American "patriot" to take up arms against self-perceived" government tyrany.

There is actually much much more to that story than you saw on the national News.. Jana Davis wrote a very good book about the things that were found by local people that you most likely have never heard.

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The teaching of Jesus! What Christian justification could you find for murdering, becausing using arms against them would presumably lead to death, government officials going about their business. THis law has been introduced by your President, passed by your congress and declared constitutional by your Supreme Court. However unhappy you might be about it terrorism is not a solution.

What was your position on the Egyptian uprising again?

Mubarak was a dictator the USA is a functioning democracy. obama was very clearly chosen as President by his cocitizens 4 months ago

You didn't answer the question.

An uprising is still an uprising. Rebelling against thegoverning authority is still rebelling against the governing authority. Rioting is still rioting. ...

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The teaching of Jesus! What Christian justification could you find for murdering, becausing using arms against them would presumably lead to death, government officials going about their business. THis law has been introduced by your President, passed by your congress and declared constitutional by your Supreme Court. However unhappy you might be about it terrorism is not a solution.

What was your position on the Egyptian uprising again?

Mubarak was a dictator the USA is a functioning democracy. obama was very clearly chosen as President by his cocitizens 4 months ago

You didn't answer the question.

An uprising is still an uprising. Rebelling against thegoverning authority is still rebelling against the governing authority. Rioting is still rioting. ...

People will and always have rebelled against tyrants and I assume that if I were living in a tyranny such as Egypt under Mubarak I might do so myself and I certainly see no justification for attacking others for doing so. The USA is a functioning democratic state and in such a state merely being on the losing side does not justify resorting to armed struggle.

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