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Do You think Persecution is Coming to North America?

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Here is an article to consider on this topic, it would be interesting to hear others thoughts.
 
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I recently watched a short documentary on the sad events of the December 26, 2004, tsunami that hit Indonesia and caused almost a quarter of a million deaths. It is well known as the Boxing Day Tsunami.
 
The video showed the Tsunami spreading to different regions, hitting the shores of heavily populated areas. What struck me was the complacency of the people in the different areas, even the amusement of it all. At one beach they see a white crescent on the distant horizon spreading across the entire large bay. People watch mesmerized as this white crescent comes nearer and nearer. When the wave swallows up two ships in the bay some of the watchers realize the magnitude of the event that is about to strike but for most it is too late. In another shoreline people smile and laugh in amusement as the entire bay is emptied of water and ships are beached. It begins as a spectacle that is full of fun and amusement as people take pictures. As the water came back in they considered it something fun to watch. When the wave struck that shoreline, many were caught unawares; their running was in vain and multitudes were screaming as they were swallowed in the waves and dragged back out to sea, never to return.
 
As I watched the video a great sobriety came over me—not just over the deaths of so many people—of what is about to come upon the Christians of the world, with some of us not being aware of the times we are living in. Many of us do not believe this could be the end of time.
 
Just as the tsunami came without warning, so will the end times persecution come upon many Christians unawares. I am not arguing for any type of position of the rapture of the church, whether pre or post, in this short article. Yet I believe firmly that we will all feel like we are in the great tribulation when this end time persecution wave hits the Church. The birth pains will become worse and worse, and many of those that have believed in a pre-tribulation rapture that would have them escape from all suffering will be 100% unprepared for what is going to come upon them.
 
Persecution of Christians has not diminished, but has been increasing yearly world wide.

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Edited by OneLight, 09 February 2014 - 12:47 AM.


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Most of that persecution is at the hands of Islam......   and our president is working on a series to introduce our K-12 children to the teachings of Islam....

 

Is persecution coming......   I would say that probably yes it is and we are bringing in upon our on heads....



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I do not know.But God knows....



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Here is an article to consider on this topic, it would be interesting to hear others thoughts.
 
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I recently watched a short documentary on the sad events of the December 26, 2004, tsunami that hit Indonesia and caused almost a quarter of a million deaths. It is well known as the Boxing Day Tsunami.
 
The video showed the Tsunami spreading to different regions, hitting the shores of heavily populated areas. What struck me was the complacency of the people in the different areas, even the amusement of it all. At one beach they see a white crescent on the distant horizon spreading across the entire large bay. People watch mesmerized as this white crescent comes nearer and nearer. When the wave swallows up two ships in the bay some of the watchers realize the magnitude of the event that is about to strike but for most it is too late. In another shoreline people smile and laugh in amusement as the entire bay is emptied of water and ships are beached. It begins as a spectacle that is full of fun and amusement as people take pictures. As the water came back in they considered it something fun to watch. When the wave struck that shoreline, many were caught unawares; their running was in vain and multitudes were screaming as they were swallowed in the waves and dragged back out to sea, never to return.
 
As I watched the video a great sobriety came over me—not just over the deaths of so many people—of what is about to come upon the Christians of the world, with some of us not being aware of the times we are living in. Many of us do not believe this could be the end of time.
 
Just as the tsunami came without warning, so will the end times persecution come upon many Christians unawares. I am not arguing for any type of position of the rapture of the church, whether pre or post, in this short article. Yet I believe firmly that we will all feel like we are in the great tribulation when this end time persecution wave hits the Church. The birth pains will become worse and worse, and many of those that have believed in a pre-tribulation rapture that would have them escape from all suffering will be 100% unprepared for what is going to come upon them.
 
Persecution of Christians has not diminished, but has been increasing yearly world wide.

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What you talk of, the persecution, and it's increase, and the analogy of Jesus returning like a Tsunami, are all in the bible for any believer to see. 

 

America will be treated no differently to any other country, because we serve an impartial God.

 

As to the Tsunami? Before one hits, the sea actually retreats, leaving fish floundering on the sand, and uninformed people standing and watching and wondering what is going on. 

 

So there is a warning and those that know Tsunami's know what to look for. Just as those of us who read the bible and stay close to God will have some warning (even though Jesus will come like a "thief in the night"). Is what is happening worldwide today the water receding? I don't know, but it sure seems like it might be.



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Any of us who have lived longer than three decades remember how America used to be and can state unequivocally that America has already been judged and persecution has come to those who do not keep quite about God and the truth outside of Church buildings and places like this.



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....Persecution of Christians has not diminished, but has been increasing yearly world wide....

 

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Pray

 

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12

 

For Our

 

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1 Peter 4:12-14

 

Perseverance

 

When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. Isaiah 43:2



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Blessings "g"

    That article was very well written ,I thought so anyway & thank you for sharing it with everyone,Praise the Lord!

That tsunami was truly devastating but what really struck me was the mind of the writer,apparently a Christian.....So many of us are so aware of what is happening across the globe & really,whether pre or post trib ,we are very prepared for eternity & because we have such a Loving & Compassionate Father we have His "instruction manual enclosed within His Love Letters"....His Word....

     II we are here for the final countdown, if we have to suffer persecution or whatever happens.....we have our Living Redeemer,our Precious Savior,the Grace of our Abba & His Blessed Assurance...........our very own lives should be the last thing on our minds because we do not ever have to face the second death,we have to be Christs living ,breathing ,walking,talking ,living testimonies ....there are so,so many that need to come to the foot of the cross.....my heart aches

                                                                                                                                     With love,in Christ-Kwik



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I don't often do this, but given the subject matter, I wanted to share something I believe the Lord gave me. 

 

I had been hearing various Christians speak about Tsunamis. Water is sometimes used in symbolism referring to the Holy Spirit, so this talk about Tsunamis was viewed as a great move of the Holy Spirit. At that time, Christians were talking about 'riding the wave' of the Holy Spirit.  

 

Well, in a dream/vision, I saw a huge tsunami wave, and I thought of the 'ride the wave' talk I had heard among Christians, but as the wave approached, I realized that there is absolutely no way to 'ride the wave'. It was so big, that when it came down on shore, it would crush everyone. I looked down and saw a boulder, and thought the only way not to be pushed back and crushed against something was to hold on to the rock. But the size of the tsunami was so great... tens of feet high, I knew I was not strong enough to hold on to the rock. I then heard 'Don't worry, hold on to the rock and the rock will hold on to you'. Sure enough, as I grabbed onto the rock, strongs arms came from the rock and held onto me. I knew, I would be buffeted, but those arms which held me would not be broken.    

 

Having experienced some persecution due to my ethnicity, and knowing that the persecution has been relatively minor compared to other times in history, and then comparing that to the persecution I have receive due to my belief in Jesus which has been considerably less then the persecution due to my ethnicity, generally speaking, the persecution in the U.S. for Christian is very small. However, if we do experience more intense persecution, I know we can trust in Jesus and rest in Him.



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I believe tt's already here, and it will get worse.



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I believe tt's already here, and it will get worse.

 

It is already here, and yes, it will get worse, but what extent I do not know.



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Coming? It's been coming for a long time. I believe %100 percent that the hurricane season of 2004 for us here in Florida was apart of it. 



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Yeah I think i agree with John Hagee about America's interference with the events in Israel. It's no coincidence that right after America gets involved and tries to divide their land or sides with the Palestinians, something major happens.  Like Katrina. 



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While the timing of all that is questionable,  I've always been a little leery about putting death and destruction at the hand of God.



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Have you ever read the Old Testament?  Or Revelation and the judgement of God's wrath coming to the earth in the near future?



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Most of that persecution is at the hands of Islam......   and our president is working on a series to introduce our K-12 children to the teachings of Islam....
 
Is persecution coming......   I would say that probably yes it is and we are bringing in upon our on heads....


Hey bro, could you hook me up to a link showing this Islam stuff. Thanks.

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Most of that persecution is at the hands of Islam......   and our president is working on a series to introduce our K-12 children to the teachings of Islam....
 
Is persecution coming......   I would say that probably yes it is and we are bringing in upon our on heads....


Hey bro, could you hook me up to a link showing this Islam stuff. Thanks.

 

I wish you guys would stop quoting this.....           it came from a satire site and while  our government is funding teaching materials by giving grants to people to make the teaching materials, it's not a program that the president set forth....  You can find details on that by googling "common core" and "Islam"

 

Did you ever post something and it so fit in with what was going on that you just didn't check it out...



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Have you ever read the Old Testament?  Or Revelation and the judgement of God's wrath coming to the earth in the near future?

yes i have and there is a really big difference in God telling me something in his word and me deciding he must be doing it again today.   Blaming a natural disaster on God is pretty close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit if he didn't really do it and for those reasons.....   and He really hasn't touched me on the shoulder and said, "Hey Sam look at what I did"

 

"""""the president and/or secretary of state pushes Israel to give up land and God trashes several states coast lines"""""

Many good Christians were in that area and it just doesn't seem to me like the thing that God would do.    And what happens to the president and/or secretary of state.....    nothing that I can see.



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If I recall correctly, wasn't it God who was ready to completely torch Sodom and Gomorrah and without regard to any righteous who might still be living there? It was Lot who went to the Lord and asked for Him to spare Sodom  and Gomorrah if Lot was to able find X amount of righteous people among the wickedness. ...Our God is jealous God...and this applies today in all the wickedness that's occurring right now. Remember, "He will not spare in the day of vengeance."

 

And nobody is 'blaming' God about all the horrible things that have happened in recent years. To blame is to suggest that something has gone terribly wrong at the hands of something or someone who has made a grave mistake. God doesn't make mistakes. When something, such as Florida's terrible hurricane season of 2004, happens and seemingly out of the blue at that, I do think it's only appropriate to pause and consider. Could this be the Lord's will? Is He trying to get our attention? ...The answer to that is, in my opinion, yes. I do believe He is trying to get our attention. 

 

 

"""""the president and/or secretary of state pushes Israel to give up land and God trashes several states coast lines"""""

Many good Christians were in that area and it just doesn't seem to me like the thing that God would do.    And what happens to the president and/or secretary of state.....    nothing that I can see.

 

Can we say without a shadow of a doubt that that tsunami was directly from God to 'persecute'? No, not really. And no one is saying that it is, but merely keeping an open mind in knowing that it is a good possibility. But you yourself seem convinced that it is not persecution merely by the fact that nothing 'happened' to the president/secretary of state... like they specifically were supposed to be the only ones persecuted. ...Remember the story of Achan? It was Achan's sin. Only his. He and he alone kept that pile forbidden loot and hid it. Remember what resulted in his 'secret sin'? ...All of a sudden Joshua's men kept getting defeated in battle, and all these things were happening. They were suffering. They were being persecuted. But why? They had done nothing wrong. So God finally enlightens Joshua to the fact that someone in his camp had sinned, and eventually Joshua found out Achan. In the end not only was Achan stoned to death, but his whole family was stoned as well. "When there is sin in the camp, the whole camp suffers." ...Not just the one who has committed the sin. 


Edited by Шарон, 10 February 2014 - 09:35 PM.


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While working for the public school system I was not allowed to share my beliefs or proselytize people. So I always waited until I was asked about my faith, and I always was. Often I was able to share my testamony. Then I would encourage them to go to the church of their choice, or I would recommend several around town that I believed adhered to the Bible.
One man had been fired for sharing the way of salvation. Of course they had to find other reasons to do it, so he was charged for not keeping his area clean enough. God can give us openings and wisdom how to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents. Our testamonies have great impact and are more apt to be listened to than even scriptures leading to salvation if the person is not ready for that step. You can always give them your phone number so you can talk to them more about it later or ask to meet them for coffee on neutral ground.

The fact that persecution is coming can be seen by how Bible believing Chritians are treated on TV. It is making such treatment acceptable and creating bigotry. It is not just Islam, but also sinners who react with hatred. But greater is the love of God in us than any evil that is in the world. We are more than conquerors though Him who loved us.

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I just don't think it's a coincidence that when a nation follows God and His laws and is righteous, it flourishes!  Then when it turns its back on God and His word, things go downhill, really fast.  The more we embrace homosexuality, the more we remove the Ten Commandments from our buildings, created laws that mock and spit in the face of God, the more we side with the Palestinians and try to split up Israel, the more our country goes downhill, the more disasters we face, the more we become convinced that the end is near. 

 

God has His pulse on the world.  Doesn't His word say that?  And He will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.  So I know for a fact, from the Word of God, that when a nation goes against Israel, that nation is cursed.






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