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Ok, as an intro post I'll ask - where do people get the idea that the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was an apple?

 

Genesis 1:29:

 

Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the ]surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you.

 

This verse tells us the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil produced no seeds (which is fitting for something that cannot produce life). 

 

Since apples have seeds we know they were not hanging from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil right?

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

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Welcome to Worthy!

 

Peace to you and God bless you much,

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Welcome to Worthy!

Scripture does not tell us what family of fruit/nut it was. Scripture only tells us it was from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

Genesis 2:8-9

The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God goes on to say that they could eat from every tree BUT the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Nothing about it having any seeds, one way or the other. Nor does He tell us what family of fruit or nut did it grow.

The "apple" is just mans way of telling the story without being scriptural, a story we all learned as a child.

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I think it has something to do with the two words in Latin in the Vulgate translation......

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

God speaks as He wishes to speak! And He speaks only the truth.

Why does it matter so much to you?

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I think you might be making more of the seed thing than is there Ted.....   Take the rental car example.....    you can take any car from this row you want........   except the Corvette.     Corvette is still a car but that one is an exception.

 

Could be the same with the seeds....    whatever, that tree isn't available for us to check it out so we can't really know.

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

God speaks as He wishes to speak! And He speaks only the truth.

Why does it matter so much to you?

 

 

It's a curiosity - I think it's an interesting notion that the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil "may not have" produced seeds.  It has interesting ramifications given all the places that seed is mentioned in scripture.

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Welcome to Worthy!!

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

God speaks as He wishes to speak! And He speaks only the truth.

Why does it matter so much to you?

 

 

It's a curiosity - I think it's an interesting notion that the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil "may not have" produced seeds.  It has interesting ramifications given all the places that seed is mentioned in scripture.

 

Shalom, and Welcome to Worthy! ... I am not seeing the importance of it. It was a command from God...to obey. Don't eat of the fruit of that tree right there. The type of fruit, seed or no seed, apple, orange or pear has no bearing on it. We are not told of what fruit it was for probably the same reason things are not told in several places in the bible....man would make that fruit something to worship along with other things people worship instead of Christ alone.

 

God Bless,

Hip

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

God speaks as He wishes to speak! And He speaks only the truth.

Why does it matter so much to you?

 

 

It's a curiosity - I think it's an interesting notion that the Tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil "may not have" produced seeds.  It has interesting ramifications given all the places that seed is mentioned in scripture.

 

 

Well now that you mention it, I don't see why it would need seeds since I doubt God really wanted it to reproduce....   Kind of frivolous, but hey we talk about less important things here all the time.

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That particular fruit just might have had a very important seed after all.......man ingested the seed of evil

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That particular fruit just might have had a very important seed after all.......man ingested the seed of evil

 

I don't see it that way.....   eating of the fruit didn't put evil into man, it just enlightened him to it's existence. Not knowing good from evil, Adam was just doing what was natural for him......   

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

 

 

St.John 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

What is your understanding of this verse?

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

 

 

St.John 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

What is your understanding of this verse?

 

Hello 2404, I really don't have much understanding of John 6:53.  I could make guesses based off scripture, but I don't think they would help anyone.

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

 

 

St.John 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

What is your understanding of this verse?

 

that would be a good thread to ponder over but I fail to see how it fits into this thread....   what am I missing?

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Agreed.

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Blessings Ted......

     Welcome to Worthy.........................God Bless you & like Hippie has tried to convey to you,,,,,it is not important what kind of fruit is was,if it was important then God would have said so,,,,,, the fact that He didn't really should make it quite clear that it is about obedience....it doesn;t matter if it were a pineapple upside down cake hanging from the tree,it was forbidden of them by God,period......case closed

       Ted,you mentioned you have no understanding of a verse from the Book of John,may I ask if you have recently been Saved & if so,are you just starting to read the Bible,beginning in Genesis?In any event,I am happy you are here & I pray you are Blessed with Wisdom & Understanding by the Power of the Holy Spirit & that you enjoy our fellowship here at Worthy!

                                                                                                                                                       With Love-in Christ,Kwik

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Blessings Ted......

     Welcome to Worthy.........................God Bless you & like Hippie has tried to convey to you,,,,,it is not important what kind of fruit is was,if it was important then God would have said so,,,,,, the fact that He didn't really should make it quite clear that it is about obedience....it doesn;t matter if it were a pineapple upside down cake hanging from the tree,it was forbidden of them by God,period......case closed

       Ted,you mentioned you have no understanding of a verse from the Book of John,may I ask if you have recently been Saved & if so,are you just starting to read the Bible,beginning in Genesis?In any event,I am happy you are here & I pray you are Blessed with Wisdom & Understanding by the Power of the Holy Spirit & that you enjoy our fellowship here at Worthy!

                                                                                                                                                       With Love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Thanks for the offer to help Kwikphilly, I have received Jesus as my savior - I simply don't understand eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood well enough to have a "teaching opinion" of it.  Regarding the fruit of the tree of Knowledge however, I am not infatuated with the fruit, nor do I desire it.  To rephrase what I was trying to discover in my original question (which seems lost on some posters) is really - why do some Christians tell me that Adam and Eve disobeyed by eating an apple, when scripture plainly tells us that God Himself gave them every plant and tree bearing seed for food.  What gives people the boldness to assert this?  Where in the bible does it say they ate an apple?

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Agreed.

 

The bible plainly tells us in Genesis 1:29 that Adam and Eve were given EVERY tree bearing seed for fruit - this would include ALL apple and pear trees correct?

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Blessings Ted

     Oh no problem,the offer always stands,Brother.............we all help each other.I understand & agree with what you are saying,who knows how they came up with "apple" & it is true,as usual men are presumptious  & have not the right to call it whatever they please as this is not the Word of God............."the fruit" would be appropriate & it could have been an apple but we should not just assume anything that is not written

                                                                                                                                                                          With love,in Christ-Kwik

And this last question you asked "yes",again,,,,I see what you are saying & one would assume that would include all apple & pear trees etc,,,,,But lets just say this,lets pretend it was an apple....you know how there are so many different apples Macintosh & Gala & Washington & Delicious & Green........maybe there were many different apple trees but only the tree of the knowledge of good & evil had green apples(see my point?)

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Wrong......Welcome to Worthy Ted  :grin:  .Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the fruit Adam and Eve ate was not an apple?The above verse you gave means nothing.The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple to my knowledge.It could have been a pear or.....

Thanks for the welcome Bopeep.

 

 

The verse I supplied above tells us we were allowed to eat from every tree that contains seeds right?  That would indicate to me that either:

 

God had made an incomplete statement in this verse regarding the fact that we could eat from every tree that had seeds (because if the Knowledge Tree had seeds we were not to eat from it).

 

or

 

The Knowledge tree had no seeds

 

If God had made an incomplete statement (He said "every" when it really wasn't so), can anyone clue me in as to how we would know (not assume) that God had indeed made the incomplete statement?

 

 

St.John 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

What is your understanding of this verse?

 

that would be a good thread to ponder over but I fail to see how it fits into this thread....   what am I missing?

 

From the perspective of the Word being the tree of life and the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil being the eating from another source.

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Blessings 2404!

       God Bless you this evening(& always) ................................huh?

                                                                                                                                   With love-in Christ,Kwik

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