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Here in the West this is still hypothetical. It may not be hypothetical much longer. But for Christians in the Mid East, Africa, Europe, Asia or the UK, it's real.

 

We know from the Bible some of us will die for God. Especially in the end times.

 

I think we will be going to war against Isis in a few months, or less. Now suppose you are a Christian but somehow Isis has captured you. Or it might be a situation where they have you and your family. At some point they tell you that unless you convert to their brand of Islam, you will be killed. (please keep in mind the way terrorists practice Islam is not the same as the the other 2/3 of Muslims practice it. To lump all Muslims together is the same as saying the JW's or LDS forms of Christianity is the same as most of us. And it's not)

I've been thinking about this for several weeks. My impulse is to say no and let them kill me. And for me, a 62 yr old man in very poor health without a family that's probably the right answer.

However, if you lie, say you will convert, but in your heart you didn't, you may then get a chance to save your family, escape, or at least wait until you can get a weapon and take as many of them with you as you can. That's what I would have done if I was young and my health was decent, so I could fire an Ak-47, an Uzi, or even a good shot gun. If you happen to be a captured soldier, or pilot, then this is certainly what you should do. As far as I'm concerned this is war, even if Obama never says it. Remember, you're lying, when and if you escape you're still going to practice Christianity.

 

Thoughts?

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i have no idea. i would love to say i'll die for Jesus, but if i'm being tortured? or if i'm watching them torture my loved ones? i really don't know. i believe God would give me the strength to do what is necessary, but i pray that He'll never allow me or my family to be in that situation. i hope He will choose to take us quickly rather than to allow us to suffer.

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We are told not to deny Christ so I don't think that we're even allowed to 'pretend' to convert but there may be circumstances where it is permitted. Remember that Peter denied Jesus three times and he was forgiven.

The problem with even 'pretending' to convert to Islam, is that once you're a Muslim you have to become part of the Ummah. There is no escape. New converts are immediately sent for training and are disciplined in the words of the Q'uran. You'll be watched all the time and if you leave the faith you're an apostate and become a renegade. Why would anybody want to risk that?

I believe that the Holy Spirit will protect you if you refuse to convert to Islam. You might still die but any torture you have to endure will be what you are able to bear. God will bring you comfort.

Remember that Francis of Assissi walked straight into the heart of Muslim territory, refused any attempts to convert to Islam, bravely approached the Muslim leader Saladin and asked him to accept Jesus and become a Christian. Although Saladin refused the offer to accept Jesus, he was so amazed at Francis' courage that he forbid anybody to harm Francis and allowed him to leave safely.

Muslims are just bullies, they respect courage and they don't respect weakness.

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It's an impossible question to answer.

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If you know and understand Sharia law you can work around it if you have any finances...

 

Technically all you have to do us to tell them that you simply can not become a Muslim and explain why//////  however you have no problem living under submission to Allah and Sharia Law.   You pay the tax required for that.....   it's a couple of hundred dollars and ISIS is required by Sharia Law to protect you as long as you work enough to be able to pay the tax each year and not violate Sharia.

 

You don't have to become a Muslim, just agree to submit to their laws and live in peace.    If they refuse they are breaking the teachings of Mohammad and the Koran.

 

Jesus instructed us to live under the ruling powers of any place we were if needed......   Islam would be no different than the Romans in the first century.

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If you know and understand Sharia law you can work around it if you have any finances...

 

Technically all you have to do us to tell them that you simply can not become a Muslim and explain why//////  however you have no problem living under submission to Allah and Sharia Law.   You pay the tax required for that.....   it's a couple of hundred dollars and ISIS is required by Sharia Law to protect you as long as you work enough to be able to pay the tax each year.

 

You don't have to become a Muslim, just agree to submit to their laws and live in peace.    If they refuse they are breaking the teachings of Mohammad and the Koran.

 

Jesus instructed us to live under the ruling powers of any place we were if needed......   Islam would be no different than the Romans in the first century.

 

The problem is, they do sometimes break their promises. They can use any excuse to kill you. During the Caliphate some people weren't even allowed to convert to Islam because the economy was running out of dhimmi labour.

If a Muslim wants you dead he can just pretend that you insulted Mohammed or something.

As for Islam, being no different to the Romans in the First Century, I disagree. The Romans were tolerant of nearly all faiths. There was no tax to pay just because you didn't worship Jupiter and Mars. Nobody was treated any differently because of what they believed in.

Sometimes Christians were an exception though because their refusal to bow to any leader except for Jesus was seen as treason against the Emperor. Although this was actually a misunderstanding because Christians are supposed to accept leaders in government and to pay taxes and obey laws. (give to Cesar what is Cesar's).

Most of the misunderstanding came under Nero's reign because let's face it, he was one of the many anti-Christs that we have had throughout history, and wanted Christians dead anyway. He didn't really need an real excuse, he would just make one up.

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I'm not saying that islam is not different than Rome, but the submitting to the authority would be the same.

 

During the time of Rome anyone could point you out as a christian and if you didn't deny it you died.

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I'm not saying that islam is not different than Rome, but the submitting to the authority would be the same.

 

During the time of Rome anyone could point you out as a christian and if you didn't deny it you died.

 

I see what you mean.

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I can't imagine living without Christ. I backslid in the 60s and never want that again. Christ is more important to me even than my family in this case. It is never painless to die and it would be horrible to watch family being tortured and killed. I can only rely on God to give me strength and comfort in such a time and pray that God give my loved ones strength in Him as well. My prayer would be that they not deny Christ.

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If you know and understand Sharia law you can work around it if you have any finances...

 

Technically all you have to do us to tell them that you simply can not become a Muslim and explain why//////  however you have no problem living under submission to Allah and Sharia Law.   You pay the tax required for that.....   it's a couple of hundred dollars and ISIS is required by Sharia Law to protect you as long as you work enough to be able to pay the tax each year and not violate Sharia.

 

You don't have to become a Muslim, just agree to submit to their laws and live in peace.    If they refuse they are breaking the teachings of Mohammad and the Koran.

 

Jesus instructed us to live under the ruling powers of any place we were if needed......   Islam would be no different than the Romans in the first century.

 

ISIS isnt playing by the rules though. They have killed people who have converted to islam after they are told to convert or die.

 

Isis hasnt let people live in peace after paying the tax. They have taken everything they had. 

 

We are told not to deny Him. I hope that He would help me out as He did Stephen in the bible.

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If you know and understand Sharia law you can work around it if you have any finances...

 

Technically all you have to do us to tell them that you simply can not become a Muslim and explain why//////  however you have no problem living under submission to Allah and Sharia Law.   You pay the tax required for that.....   it's a couple of hundred dollars and ISIS is required by Sharia Law to protect you as long as you work enough to be able to pay the tax each year and not violate Sharia.

 

You don't have to become a Muslim, just agree to submit to their laws and live in peace.    If they refuse they are breaking the teachings of Mohammad and the Koran.

 

Jesus instructed us to live under the ruling powers of any place we were if needed......   Islam would be no different than the Romans in the first century.

 

ISIS isnt playing by the rules though. They have killed people who have converted to islam after they are told to convert or die.

 

Isis hasnt let people live in peace after paying the tax. They have taken everything they had. 

 

We are told not to deny Him. I hope that He would help me out as He did Stephen in the bible.

 

I have no idea what they have and have not done, and don't really trust things coming from the news one way or the other.   I just know what Islamic law is and what they do with people who don't follow it. If ISIS is truly not following the law, then their own clerics should call them out.

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ISIS truly is not following the real Sharia law. That's why even Al Qaeda and the Taliban want nothing to do with them. They seem to be the worst group of killers who desire world domination since the Nazis, and yet they are even worse than the Nazis. Iraq has asked for our help in defeating them, and I hope we give it to them. Because just like with the Nazis, if we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here. My worry is our president is an Islam sympathizer. I think any of our previous presidents would be planning a major military action by now. Just as Obama has done things without the congress, now the congress may have to order a military strike without Obama.    

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I'd rather die than deny my Lord. I pray He give me the strength to withstand whatever I would have to.

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What happens if you deny the Lord and they kill you anyway?  I would have to refuse to convert and take my chances, though I admit, it wouldn't be easy. 

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Really can't answer.

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If you know and understand Sharia law you can work around it if you have any finances...

 

Technically all you have to do us to tell them that you simply can not become a Muslim and explain why//////  however you have no problem living under submission to Allah and Sharia Law.   You pay the tax required for that.....   it's a couple of hundred dollars and ISIS is required by Sharia Law to protect you as long as you work enough to be able to pay the tax each year and not violate Sharia.

 

You don't have to become a Muslim, just agree to submit to their laws and live in peace.    If they refuse they are breaking the teachings of Mohammad and the Koran.

 

Jesus instructed us to live under the ruling powers of any place we were if needed......   Islam would be no different than the Romans in the first century.

 

ISIS isnt playing by the rules though. They have killed people who have converted to islam after they are told to convert or die.

 

Isis hasnt let people live in peace after paying the tax. They have taken everything they had. 

 

We are told not to deny Him. I hope that He would help me out as He did Stephen in the bible.

He will Jade as He is no respect of persons :thumbsup:
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I have been in a life threatening circumstance due to my witness of God and I can tell you this

He is so closely intertwined into your being things get a little foggy and He is absolutely the

everything to you without question no matter what! He cannot be a liar and His promise is

Luke 12:32

32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

KJV

Love, Steven

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and that is a requirement from God and his believers ; see Daniel and his friends , Joseph ,and others  believing is one thing ;TRUSTING GOD ' I S another thing ,my friends

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Remember when Jesus said that he was going to be arrested and crucified, and all of his Apostles, said they would all go and die with him! Then when Jesus was arrested they all ran away and hid. The Bible tells us that all such speaking is boasting and is evil. We do not know what is going to happen in these kinds of situations, but God does.

 

Jas 4:13  Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 
Jas 4:14  Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 
Jas 4:15  For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 
Jas 4:16  But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 
 
Mat 10:18  And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 
Mat 10:19  But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 
Mat 10:20  For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
 
The Holy Spirit will tell us what to speak if, and when we find ourselves in these kinds of trying times. But to say what we would or not do when we really don't know what we would do is evil, and boastful.
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Jn 13:16 I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 
Jn 13:17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
 
understand this ? 
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and that is a requirement from God and his believers ; see Daniel and his friends , Joseph ,and others  believing is one thing ;TRUSTING GOD ' I S another thing ,my friends

Perhaps you should not jump to conclusions. MY comment, "OSAS", proves that I trust in GOD and His Son. And there are many, many others, some who do not adhere to OSAS, who would definately disagree with your assessment. You own this forum an apology, sir.
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What happens if you deny the Lord and they kill you anyway?  I would have to refuse to convert and take my chances, though I admit, it wouldn't be easy. 

 

That's a very good point.  Denying the Lord and then dying would send you to hell; muslims read the Bible too and know this.  I wouldn't want to chance that so I guess I would just have to die.  They can only kill the body after all. 

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and that is a requirement from God and his believers ; see Daniel and his friends , Joseph ,and others  believing is one thing ;TRUSTING GOD ' I S another thing ,my friends

Perhaps you should not jump to conclusions. MY comment, "OSAS", proves that I trust in GOD and His Son. And there are many, many others, some who do not adhere to OSAS, who would definately disagree with your assessment. You own this forum an apology, sir.

hi friend

 

it seem that i really do not know what you are talking about ? 

 

for i did not see your comment in this topic ,if you did show me ? please 

 

I also do not understand what "OSAS" means , sorry to be so unaware of so many things of the world ,

 

 

love in Christ

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Well, if you deny Christ, even if you are lying, to get your hands on an AK47, you're ***. 

 

Do you really think they are going to allow you close enough to a firearm to fire it?   :guns:

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Well, if you deny Christ, even if you are lying, to get your hands on an AK47, you're ***. 

 

Do you really think they are going to allow you close enough to a firearm to fire it?   :guns:

Well honestly, they are not noted for being overly bright....   or they wouldn't be Islamic.
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