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OK  JUST  HOW  MANY  PROPHETS  ARE  THERE  AND  SPIRITS  ***question is will  any  of  you  listen***    1 THESSALONIANS 5:20  DESPISE  NOT  PROPHESYINGS  --5:21--  prove all things hold fast that which is good    DEUTERONOMY 13:1  if there arise among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams and giveth thee a sign or a wonder  --13:2--  and the sign or wonder come to pass whereof he spake unto thee saying let us go after other gods which thou hast not known and let us serve them   --13:3--  thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams for  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  proveth you to know whether you love  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  with all your heart and with all your  soul   --13:4-- you shall walk after  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  and fear him and keep  HIS  commandments and obey his voice and you shall serve  HIM  and cleave unto  HIM    --13:5--  and that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death because he hath spoken to turn you away from  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  which brought you out of the land of egypt and redeemed you out of the house of bondage  ---TO  THRUST  YOU  OUT  OF  THE  WAY  WHICH  THE  LORD  THY  GOD  COMMANDED  THEE  TO  WALK  IN---  so shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee    2 JOHN 1:4  I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth as we have received a commandment from  THE  FATHER   DEUTERONOMY 18:18  I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee and will put  --MY  WORDS--  in  HIS  mouth and  HE  shall speak unto them all that I shall command  HIM --18:19--  and it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken unto  MY  words which  HE  shall speak in  MY  NAME  I will require it of him   --18:20--  BUT  THE  PROPHET  WHICH SHALL PRESUME  TO  SPEAK  A  WORD  IN  MY  NAME  WHICH  I  HAVE  NOT  COMMANDED  HIM  TO  SPEAK  OR  THAT  SHALL  SPEAK  IN  THE  NAME  OF  other  gods  EVEN  THAT  PROPHET  SHALL DIE  --18:21--  and if thou say in thine heart --how shall we know which  THE  LORD  HATH  NOT  SPOKEN--   --18:22--  when a prophet speaketh in  THE  NAME  OF  THE  LORD  ---if the thing follow  not nor come to pass that is the thing which  --THE  LORD--  hath not spoken  ---  but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously --- thou shalt not be afraid of him   ACTS 3:22  for moses truly said unto the fathers a prophet shall  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me  HIM  shall you hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you  --3:23-- and it shall come to pass that every soul which will not hear that prophet ---SHALL  BE  DESTROYED  FROM  AMONG  THE  PEOPLE--- 3 JOHN 1:4  I  HAVE  NO  GREATER  JOY  THAN  TO  HEAR  THAT  MY  CHILDREN  WALK  IN  TRUTH    HEBREWS 1:1  GOD  who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake  ---IN  TIME  PAST---  unto the fathers by the prophets    --1:2--  HATH  IN  THESE  LAST  DAYS  SPOKEN  TO  US  BY  HIS  SON  ---  WHOM  HE  HATH  APPOINTED  HEIR  OF  ALL  THINGS  BY  WHOM  HE  ALSO  MADE  THE  WORLDS  --1:3--  who being the brightness of  HIS  glory and the express image of  HIS  person and upholding all things  --BY  THE  WORD  OF  --HIS  POWER--  when  HE  had  --BY  HIMSELF--  purged our sins sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high    1 CORINTHIANS 6:17  but he that is joined unto  THE  LORD  is  --one spirit--   EPHESIANS 4:4  there is  --onebody -- and one spirit -- even as you are called in one hope of your calling  --4:5--  ONE  LORD -- one faith -- one baptism    1 TIMOTHY 2:5  FOR  THERE  IS  ONE  GOD  AND  ONE  MEDIATIOR  BETWEEN  GOD  AND  MEN  THE  MAN  --JESUS  CHRIST--   JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him  ---I am the way  --  THE  TRUTH  --  and the life  ---  no man cometh unto  THE  FATHER  BUT  BY  ME---   JOHN 6:14  THEN  THOSE  MEN  WHEN  THEY  HAD  SEEN  THE  MIRACLE  THAT  JESUS  DID  SAID  THIS  IS  OF  A  TRUTH  THAT  PROPHET  THAT  SHOULD  COME  INTO  THE  WORLD    PROVERBS 25:28  he that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken and without walls   EZEKIEL 13:3  THUS  SAITH  THE  LORD  GOD  WOE  UNTO  THE  FOOLISH  PROPHETS  THAT  FOLLOW  THEIR  OWN  SPIRIT  AND  HAVE  SEEN  NOTHING    JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words  --THAT  I  SPEAK  UNTO  YOU--  they are spirit and they are life    REVELATION 19:13  and  HE  was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and  HIS  name is called  --THE  WORD  OF  GOD--   REVELATION 19:10  and I fell at his feet to worship him and he said see thou do it not I am thy fellowservant and of thy brethren that have the testimony of  JESUS  WORSHIP  GOD  ---  FOR  THE  TESTIMONY  OF  JESUS  IS  THE  SPIRIT  OF  PROPHECY   PSALM 119:30  I  HAVE  CHOSEN  THE  WAY  OF  TRUTH  THY  JUDGMENTS  HAVE  I  LAID  BEFORE  ME    LUKE 6:26  WOE  UNTO  YOU  WHEN  ALL  MEN  SHALL  SPEAK  WELL  OF  YOU  FOR  SO  DID  THEIR  FATHERS  TO  THE  FALSE  PROPHETS    LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  

First of all when Jesus is yet in the sky He must first take care of business.  That being fighting the world armies at Armageddon, from the White Horse (Rev 20).  So before His descending to the Mount of Olives, the battle occurs. Once the battle is finished, the Mt of Olives follows.  The Question is; When does Christ the King dismount the White Horse and rule the nations. In Christ Montana Marv

Yes, poetic license allows us to use terms metaphorically. In this case Paul is illustrating how it is possible to build on the foundation of Jesus Christ with trite and fanciful principles, programs, and projects of no eternal value, which disposable things will qualify as a loss to those responsible for them, and how things that are worth keeping and things that are theologically solid will endure, being of eternal value. Scope of Metaphor: 1Co 3:10  According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. The fact that all the physical elements of the world dissolve is not the main scope of the metaphor, but rather that heed should be taken to build with things that endure beyond the temporal realm. 2Pe 3:11-13  Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,  (12)  looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?  (13)  Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

It doesn't say Revelation 20 is not true. I thought Revelation 20 was a great proof text for the pre trib rapture, because only the ones from the trib get raised then, so Abraham etc. who come with Jesus must already have been raised and the rapture is after the raising of the dead.   Daniel 12:2-3 is a good one.  “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. Daniel 12:1 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/dan.12.1.NKJV Israel then gets protected, the woman gets a safe place and those who are already saved get raptured just after the first group gets raised from the dead before the great trib starts. And then the rest in Revelation 20.

I was away for the weekend and the thread has left me behind. You answered me with time, effort and thought behind it. Thank you. I will just comment on the above segment. The rest is not in dispute. You mentioned the heptadic structure of scripture to which I agree. I do not find any evidence for a seven-year Great Tribulation, so trying to find support for it seems vain. I think that the Christians who believe that number got their doctrine from the abundance of fiction that we, and Hollywood have fed us. What astounds me is the number of our brethren who like to calculate what God has purposefully hidden from us. And not only do thy like to calculate, they base it on prophecies made to Israel. We are not bound by those prophets. Israel are accused by our Lord for not knowing the time of their visitation. Not so the Church. The Lord plainly said that we do not know the hour of His coming. Calculations by Christians are not in any way illegal. We are to study equally Israel's history (1st Cor.10:1-11), but not for dates. We are to study their case for our moral walk. We are to appreciate the times we live in by the moral condition of men (the days of Noah and Lot), and the moral condition of the Church (2nd Thess.2 and the Churches of Revelation). My appreciation of your section which I quoted above is that Daniel was a prophet to Israel. The prophecies are directed quite clearly at "THY People". Chapters 2 to 7 are directed at GENTILE Kings and Kingdoms - not the Church. While it might be interesting, and informative for other things, Daniel's prophecies concern Israel. In Matthew 24:1-31, even the most superficial student must discover that from the Temple, through Jerusalem, Judea, the Sabbath and ending with Christ breaking clouds over Jerusalem, and commissioning His angels to collect those scattered to the "four winds" is all Jewish. Daniel's prophecy is for those who "see" the Abomination of Desolation". Thus, Istanbul, London and New York are exempt. So also are the many prophecies that our Lord fulfilled. They are not the goal of Daniel's inspiration. The goal is clearly said. "YOUR People" and "YOUR City". We must agree to disagree on the "Prince". The grammar is not difficult. "Messiah" is a Prince. He is cut off after 69 sevens. Then another "Prince" is introduced and identified. He is a Prince of the people who destroyed the sanctuary and the city, but "shall come" - that is, he is future to the destruction of the sanctuary. What is decisive is "THE Covenant". Much has been written about the Beast and Covenants with Israel. But the grammar addresses  "A" Covenant which contains the daily oblation. It is also broken by the abolition of the daily oblation. And for THE Covenant of Sinai to be in effect, a Temple must stand. This agrees with the ONE "sign" that is given to the Church - THE LEAVES of the Fig Tree. The Fig Tree is not the goal of the parable - but it's leaves. The leaves of a Tree are its covering, or garment. And a garment is "WORKS" (Rev.19:7-8). Adam and Eve made garments of the knowledge of "good and evil" - which Romans 7 says is the Law. If you do a search for the Laws that can only be completed where "God chose to put His Name" you will find that it is His "House" - the Temple. The Beast, in order to sit in the Holy Place also needs the Temple. I enjoyed the swap of ideas. Go well.