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Is Daniel 9:27 referring to past, present or future?

 

"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. 25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "
 



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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.



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This very covenant is possibly in the works as I type this.  John Kerry is involved, the Pope is involved.  It is a 9 month process, which I find odd seeing how that's how long a woman is pregnant.



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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 



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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Futurism through this highly imaginative and fictional Left Behind series has unleashed a tsunami sized tidal wave of false Prophecy, which is sweeping over the entire world. I mean, everyone believes movies and books, right? Thus we now have all this false teaching circulating on some illusory secret rapture and seven year tribulation period as many have taken these books as being primarily true and teach them as if they are Biblical truth even though these books are fictional.

 

And just to clarify since some have misunderstood in the past. Yes the Bible does say we go through tribulation but we are not told how long. Scripture says that “except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved.” (Matthew 24:21-22) And yes scripture does teach there will be a second coming of Christ that many refer to as the rapture, but the word rapture is not found in the Bible and nor does it teach that it will be secret.

 

Daniel 9:25

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25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

When Bible prophecy is symbolic, the proven and established day for a year principle applies. (See Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34) So Daniel’s 70 weeks (490 days) is actually a literal 490 years. Daniel 9:25 informs us that these 70 prophetic weeks began with the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.


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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

1260 days is in connection with the last seven years of the 70 week prophecy. 1260 days is in connection with (Daniel 9:27 one week = 7 years great tribulation). 7 divided in half is 3.5 and 3.5 years is 1260 days. Which means the church of Israel will hide in the wilderness on earth for 3.5 years. I believe this is the first half of the great tribulation because the antichrist makes a covenant in the second half of the great tribulation. Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.

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that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days:
in allusion to the children of Israel in the wilderness, where they were fed with manna forty years; so the overcomers, or true Christians in the Pergamos church state, have hidden manna given them to eat, the food of the wilderness, with which church state the church in the wilderness must be considered as contemporary, as also with the Thyatirian and Sardian church states; for though, at the Reformation, which the Sardinian church state introduces, the church appeared again, and has been ever since coming up out of the wilderness, yet she is stall in it; where she is fed and nourished with the Gospel, and the ordinances of it, by the faithful ministers of the word, the two witnesses that prophesy in sackcloth; the time of whose prophesying: is exactly of the same date with the woman's bring in the wilderness, and with the reign of antichrist, namely, forty two months, or 1260 days, that is so many years.



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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 

 

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  This is Jesus? Please explain this.

 

Matt. 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

Mark 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Daniel 8:11-12 - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12. And the host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised and prospered.

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.



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Daniel 9:27

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

The date for the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes in 457 B.C. (Ezra 7:13). Remember this date was also the beginning of the 490 years God gave Israel to end their rebellion and so the 490 year probation period ended in A.D. 33 when Stephen was stoned  Daniel 9:24-25 informs us the Messiah  would be anointed after a total of                 69 (7 + 62) of these prophetic weeks had passed. That is 483 years (490-7) from the 457 B.C. decree date and brings us to the year A.D. 26. This was the exact year Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit anointed Him for His ministry.

The prophecy  is  that the Messiah would appear in A.D. 26. The Jewish probation period was 70 weeks but Jesus appears as the “Messiah” after 69 weeks. So the 70th and final week is left for Christ to minister before the Jews probation ended. What happened in this 70th and final week?

 

The “midst of the week” is half of 7 days being of course 3.5 prophetic days, which is 3.5 literal yearsbeing the time from the baptism of Jesus to His crucifixion.

 

When they crucified Jesus in the spring of A.D. 30, the temple veil was rent from top to bottom, (Matthew 27:51) which signified the end of the sacrificial system. By His own death Jesus caused the “sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” The remaining 3.5 literal years brings us to the end of the 70 weeks and the Jewish probation.

 

The disciples laboured preached to the  Jews during those three and a half years and in A.D. 33, the 70 weeks ended when Stephen was stoned

Daniel 9:26

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26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

the people of the prince” refers to in Daniel 9:26 is the destruction of “the city and the sanctuary” applies to the second destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies under Prince Titus in 70 A.D.



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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 

 

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  This is Jesus? Please explain this.

 

Matt. 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

Mark 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Daniel 8:11-12 - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12. And the host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised and prospered.

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

 

 

Are you saying that the 1260 days and 1290 days are the same abomination of desolation ?

 

Please explain 

 

Thank you 


Edited by Izzel, 05 January 2014 - 08:05 PM.


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1260 days is 1260 years 


Edited by Izzel, 05 January 2014 - 07:53 PM.


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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 

 

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  This is Jesus? Please explain this.

 

Matt. 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

Mark 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Daniel 8:11-12 - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12. And the host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised and prospered.

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

 

 

Are you saing that the 1260 days and 1290 days are the same abomination of desolation ?

 

Please explain 

 

Thank you 

 

Where are you getting 1260 days from?

 

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.



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It is a future event.  The person who signs the covenant with many is the anti-Christ, the man of sin, the son of perdition.  Jesus speaks of him.  The signing of the covenant is the beginning of the "time of Jacobs trouble" and 3.5 years, in he will put an end to sacrifice and declare himself as God.

Please prove that the he is the Antichrist 

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 

 

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  This is Jesus? Please explain this.

 

Matt. 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

Mark 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Daniel 8:11-12 - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12. And the host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised and prospered.

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

 

 

Are you saing that the 1260 days and 1290 days are the same abomination of desolation ?

 

Please explain 

 

Thank you 

 

Where are you getting 1260 days from?

 

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

 

 

you qouted this 1260 days with 1290 days they are not the same 

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.



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I've reread, where did I ever say 1260 days?



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I've reread, where did I ever say 1260 days?

Jacobs ouble for 3.5 years that you qoute is it the same as 1260 days ?

 

Then you said

 Izzel asked Please prove that the he is the Antichrist

 

The He is Jesus my friend and the covenant is the new convenant 

 

Daniel 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  This is Jesus? Please explain this.

 

Matt. 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

Mark 13:14 - But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Daniel 8:11-12 - Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12. And the host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised and prospered.

 

Daniel 12:11 - And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

 

Adding the two together will imply that you are saying such to me

 

If not I apologise  


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Are you saying that the 1260 days and 1290 days are the same abomination of desolation ?

 

The 1260 days is the second half of the seven year great tribulation. 1290 days however means there are 30 extra days for God's grace to allow people into the kingdom. It all connects to Daniel 9:27.

 

Daniel 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days; http://www.biblestud...niel-12-11.html
from the beginning of the reign of antichrist to the end of it are one thousand two hundred and sixty days (1260 days) or years, or forty two months, which is the same, according to (Rev 13:5) , here thirty days or years are added, which begin where the other end, and is the time allotted for the conversion of the Jews, and other things, making way for the kingdom of Christ; and which the reign of antichrist was an hindrance of, but should now immediately take place.



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Are you saying that the 1260 days and 1290 days are the same abomination of desolation ?

 

The 1260 days is the second half of the seven year great tribulation. 1290 days however means there are 30 extra days for God's grace to allow people into the kingdom. It all connects to Daniel 9:27.

 

Daniel 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days; http://www.biblestud...niel-12-11.html
from the beginning of the reign of antichrist to the end of it are one thousand two hundred and sixty days (1260 days) or years, or forty two months, which is the same, according to (Rev 13:5) , here thirty days or years are added, which begin where the other end, and is the time allotted for the conversion of the Jews, and other things, making way for the kingdom of Christ; and which the reign of antichrist was an hindrance of, but should now immediately take place.

 

My friend this is not found in the bible 30 days extra what is the parable of the wise and foolish vigins for ?



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My friend this is not found in the bible 30 days extra what is the parable of the wise and foolish vigins for ?

 

But it is Izzel..Daniel 12:11. 30 days are added AFTER the great tribulation. Just because you ignore my posts doesn't make it go away..

 

Daniel 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and thabomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days; http://www.biblestud...niel-12-11.html
from the beginning of the reign of antichrist to the end of it are one thousand two hundred and sixty days (1260 days) or years, or forty two months, which is the same, according to (Rev 13:5) , here thirty days or years are added, which begin where the other end, and is the time allotted for the conversion of the Jews, and other things, making way for the kingdom of Christ; and which the reign of antichrist was an hindrance of, but should now immediately take place.



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Hi. This is my first post on this forum and I'm looking forward to many interesting discussions. My views are not always orthodox but as we are entering the end-times I feel its necessary to revisit assumptions we may have had in the past.

 

I believe the last seven is split.  Most translations have TWO characters and not one in Daniel 9:27. Most translations refer to "he" who confirms the covenant, and one/desolator who sets up the abomination. If this is what the Amplified bible says, we should sit up and take notice:

And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator

 

Jewish bible:

 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator

 

Jesus confirmed the covenant, the Jewish period was interrupted at the crucifixion which opened the way for the gentiles, but there is still one more 3.5 year Jewish period left before the second coming. The antichrist/abomination will commence the final 3.5 Jewish years known as the great tribulation.



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Izzel

 

Christ died at the end of the 69th week per Dan 9:26.

 

The people of the ruler to come was Titus and the Roman army who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.

 

Dan 9:27 is yet future.  He confirms a covenant with many for 0ne Seven, then in the middle of this week he sets up the A/D at the Temple.  This is the A/C who does this.  In Matt 24:15 - Jesus says, so when you see standing in the holy place the A/D spoken of through the prophet Daniel (Dan 9:27); flee to the mountains.     No one fled to the mountains when Jesus was crucified. Jesus made no 7 year covenant with anyone, it is not in Scripture.  BTW, the New Covenant is an everlasting covenant, not a seven year covenant.  You are way off base here.

 

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