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First of all when Jesus is yet in the sky He must first take care of business.  That being fighting the world armies at Armageddon, from the White Horse (Rev 20).  So before His descending to the Mount of Olives, the battle occurs. Once the battle is finished, the Mt of Olives follows.  The Question is; When does Christ the King dismount the White Horse and rule the nations. In Christ Montana Marv

Yes, poetic license allows us to use terms metaphorically. In this case Paul is illustrating how it is possible to build on the foundation of Jesus Christ with trite and fanciful principles, programs, and projects of no eternal value, which disposable things will qualify as a loss to those responsible for them, and how things that are worth keeping and things that are theologically solid will endure, being of eternal value. Scope of Metaphor: 1Co 3:10  According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. The fact that all the physical elements of the world dissolve is not the main scope of the metaphor, but rather that heed should be taken to build with things that endure beyond the temporal realm. 2Pe 3:11-13  Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,  (12)  looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?  (13)  Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

It doesn't say Revelation 20 is not true. I thought Revelation 20 was a great proof text for the pre trib rapture, because only the ones from the trib get raised then, so Abraham etc. who come with Jesus must already have been raised and the rapture is after the raising of the dead.   Daniel 12:2-3 is a good one.  “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. Daniel 12:1 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/dan.12.1.NKJV Israel then gets protected, the woman gets a safe place and those who are already saved get raptured just after the first group gets raised from the dead before the great trib starts. And then the rest in Revelation 20.

I was away for the weekend and the thread has left me behind. You answered me with time, effort and thought behind it. Thank you. I will just comment on the above segment. The rest is not in dispute. You mentioned the heptadic structure of scripture to which I agree. I do not find any evidence for a seven-year Great Tribulation, so trying to find support for it seems vain. I think that the Christians who believe that number got their doctrine from the abundance of fiction that we, and Hollywood have fed us. What astounds me is the number of our brethren who like to calculate what God has purposefully hidden from us. And not only do thy like to calculate, they base it on prophecies made to Israel. We are not bound by those prophets. Israel are accused by our Lord for not knowing the time of their visitation. Not so the Church. The Lord plainly said that we do not know the hour of His coming. Calculations by Christians are not in any way illegal. We are to study equally Israel's history (1st Cor.10:1-11), but not for dates. We are to study their case for our moral walk. We are to appreciate the times we live in by the moral condition of men (the days of Noah and Lot), and the moral condition of the Church (2nd Thess.2 and the Churches of Revelation). My appreciation of your section which I quoted above is that Daniel was a prophet to Israel. The prophecies are directed quite clearly at "THY People". Chapters 2 to 7 are directed at GENTILE Kings and Kingdoms - not the Church. While it might be interesting, and informative for other things, Daniel's prophecies concern Israel. In Matthew 24:1-31, even the most superficial student must discover that from the Temple, through Jerusalem, Judea, the Sabbath and ending with Christ breaking clouds over Jerusalem, and commissioning His angels to collect those scattered to the "four winds" is all Jewish. Daniel's prophecy is for those who "see" the Abomination of Desolation". Thus, Istanbul, London and New York are exempt. So also are the many prophecies that our Lord fulfilled. They are not the goal of Daniel's inspiration. The goal is clearly said. "YOUR People" and "YOUR City". We must agree to disagree on the "Prince". The grammar is not difficult. "Messiah" is a Prince. He is cut off after 69 sevens. Then another "Prince" is introduced and identified. He is a Prince of the people who destroyed the sanctuary and the city, but "shall come" - that is, he is future to the destruction of the sanctuary. What is decisive is "THE Covenant". Much has been written about the Beast and Covenants with Israel. But the grammar addresses  "A" Covenant which contains the daily oblation. It is also broken by the abolition of the daily oblation. And for THE Covenant of Sinai to be in effect, a Temple must stand. This agrees with the ONE "sign" that is given to the Church - THE LEAVES of the Fig Tree. The Fig Tree is not the goal of the parable - but it's leaves. The leaves of a Tree are its covering, or garment. And a garment is "WORKS" (Rev.19:7-8). Adam and Eve made garments of the knowledge of "good and evil" - which Romans 7 says is the Law. If you do a search for the Laws that can only be completed where "God chose to put His Name" you will find that it is His "House" - the Temple. The Beast, in order to sit in the Holy Place also needs the Temple. I enjoyed the swap of ideas. Go well.

Thanks I was aware of the rest But did not know of Zech 12:10. Thanks so much for your answer.