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Alcohol. How much is too much?

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What is a drunkard? Is it somebody who gets drunk, or somebody who gets drunk frequently (an alcoholic)?

What do you mean by being drunk? Is it okay to drink enough and feel relaxed and happy, even if you do come across as a bit tired or slurry? Even if you don't sin because of doing it, is it still too much, or should you be alert and sober at all times?

Is it better to abstain altogether?

Does it matter what you drink? Is wine okay, but beer wrong? What about spirits?

Your thoughts please.



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The Bible just says we shouldn't drink in excess, and it makes it clear being a drunkard is a sin that will keep you out of heaven.  In excess to me means to the point of being drunk.  I don't think it means relaxed.  I don't see any difference in one alcoholic beverage as opposed to another, except for the obvious fact that some will get you drunk much faster.  I feel it is wrong to ever get drunk, but getting drunk once is not what I would consider a drunkard to be.  A drunkard to me is a drunk, like Otis Campbell on Andy Griffith.  I would imagine you are going to get a whole lot of different views on this subject. 

 

BTW, if you come across with slurred speech, I would say you are drunk. 



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with me-its anything past one drink. I have a one drink limit-regardless of what it is. I do enjoy that occasional glass of wine or mikes hard lemonade, even enjoy mixing a shot of crown with mountain dew-but regardless I always stop at one and by one thats for the whole day-and is often for the entire week sometimes even months. The bible does say not to get drunk-and not to drink in excess, so to me that translates anytime you feel your state of mind altering-its to much, that includes that being buzzed.



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with me-its anything past one drink. I have a one drink limit-regardless of what it is. I do enjoy that occasional glass of wine or mikes hard lemonade, even enjoy mixing a shot of crown with mountain dew-but regardless I always stop at one and by one thats for the whole day-and is often for the entire week sometimes even months. The bible does say not to get drunk-and not to drink in excess, so to me that translates anytime you feel your state of mind altering-its to much, that includes that being buzzed.

I am curious about something.  What does it mean to you to "feel your state of mind alter?"  and what is buzzed to you?  What do you feel after one shot of crown or one hard lemonade or one glass of wine? 



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The reason I ask this question is that my Dad had a two drinks limit (three for special occasions). He never got drunk (well, I didn't see it). He never acted drunk. He would limit his drinking and stop at that limit. He never behaved badly after drinking, and he never lost control, swore or let his morals drop. He always walked the same, never staggered and you would never know that he had a drink. He never drank before work, nor during the daytime. He didn't drink every day and when he did, he always did it in the evening before bed.

However, his words were sometimes, a little slurry - still articulate, but a little slurry. He once told me that was just how alcohol affected him. It was the first thing that went. Some people get aggressive, some people become silly, others behave atrociously. My dad just slurred his words a bit and then went to bed.

 

I seem to have inherited the same characteristic. I just wondered if it was a bad thing. I stop at a certain point, and like my Dad I will only drink before bed, so I'm not usually speaking to anybody much anyway.



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The reason I ask this question is that my Dad had a two drinks limit (three for special occasions). He never got drunk (well, I didn't see it). He never acted drunk. He would limit his drinking and stop at that limit. He never behaved badly after drinking, and he never lost control, swore or let his morals drop. He always walked the same, never staggered and you would never know that he had a drink. He never drank before work, nor during the daytime. He didn't drink every day and when he did, he always did it in the evening before bed.

However, his words were sometimes, a little slurry - still articulate, but a little slurry. He once told me that was just how alcohol affected him. It was the first thing that went. Some people get aggressive, some people become silly, others behave atrociously. My dad just slurred his words a bit and then went to bed.

 

I seem to have inherited the same characteristic. I just wondered if it was a bad thing. I stop at a certain point, and like my Dad I will only drink before bed, so I'm not usually speaking to anybody much anyway.

Do you feel convicted about it?  There is no absolute answer anyone could give you.  I personally think if your speech is slurred, it is a sign you have had too much, and perhaps you should cut back a little, but that is just my opinion. 



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The reason I ask this question is that my Dad had a two drinks limit (three for special occasions). He never got drunk (well, I didn't see it). He never acted drunk. He would limit his drinking and stop at that limit. He never behaved badly after drinking, and he never lost control, swore or let his morals drop. He always walked the same, never staggered and you would never know that he had a drink. He never drank before work, nor during the daytime. He didn't drink every day and when he did, he always did it in the evening before bed.

However, his words were sometimes, a little slurry - still articulate, but a little slurry. He once told me that was just how alcohol affected him. It was the first thing that went. Some people get aggressive, some people become silly, others behave atrociously. My dad just slurred his words a bit and then went to bed.

 

I seem to have inherited the same characteristic. I just wondered if it was a bad thing. I stop at a certain point, and like my Dad I will only drink before bed, so I'm not usually speaking to anybody much anyway.

Do you feel convicted about it?  There is no absolute answer anyone could give you.  I personally think if your speech is slurred, it is a sign you have had too much, and perhaps you should cut back a little, but that is just my opinion. 

 

 

I don't feel bad about it. I don't feel as if it's wrong. I don't do it often. My speech is not very slurry, just a little. I stop and don't go beyond that point. I just wonder what other people's opinions were.

In other words - what is drunk? What does it mean?



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Everyone has a different tolerance.While a very large person can have two drinks and feel fine a very small person could have one drink and really feel it.I would caution a person from not drinking on an everyday basis.You can build a tolerance to alcohol.What was one drink could take you two or three drinks after awhile to get the same effect.If a person would go into a hospital and their body is used to drinking on an everyday basis they can have a slight withdrawal because your system is used to it.Also when alot of alcohol is consumed it is very damaging to the liver and causes alot of different kinds of cancer.



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If my nose feels numb I've had two to many.....

 

I rarely drink.....    I have a concealed carry permit and am armed most of the time.......   in that state you just don't drink at all.



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with me-its anything past one drink. I have a one drink limit-regardless of what it is. I do enjoy that occasional glass of wine or mikes hard lemonade, even enjoy mixing a shot of crown with mountain dew-but regardless I always stop at one and by one thats for the whole day-and is often for the entire week sometimes even months. The bible does say not to get drunk-and not to drink in excess, so to me that translates anytime you feel your state of mind altering-its to much, that includes that being buzzed.

I am curious about something.  What does it mean to you to "feel your state of mind alter?"  and what is buzzed to you?  What do you feel after one shot of crown or one hard lemonade or one glass of wine? 

 

 

nothing, usually after one unless I guzzle it. With mikes I usually dont feel anything unless Ive had 2 or 3, but like I said I always stop at one regardless. if its wine or whiskey, I normally feel that buzzed feeling by glass two-hence why I always stop at one. Im sure different people are different and with different drinks its different, but thats how it is with me. and like I said with mikes-which has a 5% alc. verses crown which has 40%, I can down 2-3+ mikes without feeling buzzed-but I never do, I always stop at one, because thats the rule I follow-no matter what. I enjoy the flavor of the drink-thats why I drink it, but I drew a hard line in the sand long ago and I never plan to cross it. if I get to the point I think im going to cross it Ill stop drinking altogether.



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Based on what I have read, I believe that a moderate amount of alcohol is cardio-protective. For men the right amount is two drinks a day and for women one drink a day. It has the same effect regardless if it is two beers, two glasses of wine or two shots of distilled spirits for men. I drink one or two shots of some kind of distilled spirits every night before I go to bed. It helps me to get to sleep which is an added benefit.



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I expected mixed answers when I posted this thread and that's what I got. Thanks for all your answers. Please carry on though, it's interesting.



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Trust

 

O LORD, thou hast searched me and known me.

 

Thou knowest my sitting down and my rising up,

 

thou dost understand my thoughts from afar.

 

Thou hast girded my walk and my rest, and hast prepared all my ways.

 

For the word is not even upon my tongue,

 

and, behold, O LORD, thou dost know it altogether.

 

Thou hast formed my face and my insides and laid thine hand upon me. 

 

Thy knowledge is wonderful beyond my ability to comprehend;

 

it is high, I cannot understand it. Psalms 139:1-6

 

It's The Loving Thing To Do

 

See, God has come to save me. I will trust in him and not be afraid.

 

The Lord God is my strength and my song;

 

he has given me victory.” Isaiah 12:2 (NLT)

 

~

 

I expected mixed answers when I posted this thread and that's what I got. Thanks for all your answers. Please carry on though, it's interesting.

 

:thumbsup:

 

Something To Consider

 

Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! Isaiah 5:11

 

Or Not

 

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Proverbs 31:6

 

~

 

As For Me, The LORD Took It Out Of My Hands Thirty Seven Years Ago

 

Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation.
Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.
My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.
Psalms 5:1-3

 

And By His Grace I Will Not Take It Up Again

 

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

 

So Now I'm A Teetotaler

 

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12

 

How About That~!

 

Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Psalms 103:1



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my pastor doesnt consider someone who gets drunk once or twice a drunkard. A drunkard would be someone who makes getting drunk a habit and are consist with getting drunk. But if a person gets drunk once or something they wouldnt be considered a drunkard to me either. Getting drunk is not okay its sin as the Bible says. but getting drunk once or twice a month or a year isnt a drunkard. Drunkard is a lifestyle I would say not a once a time thing.



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People are forgetting an important part of that verse.

 

And do not be drunk with wine, in which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit,
 

While having a drink may not be a sin, being drunk can inhibit how you hear or are filled with the Spirit. At what point does that happen with each person?

 

Having said that, I do have a glass of wine now and then, or a glass of sherry. Its quite infrequent though. I go through a bottle of sherry every couple of years. Wine is usually only at thanksgiving and Christmas. 



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I have had my share of times talking to that big white phone in the past   :laughing:



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Blessings Everyone!

    Oh Jade,you are too funny,,,,you will appreciate this (going through a bottle in 2 yrs).Last Sunday,after church I cuddled up on the couch in hopes of watching some good movies because I haven't been feeling the greatest....I was so content ,indeed there was some good movies to watch & I made a beautiful pasta dish for dinner & decided I was even going to have a nice glass of Cabernet Sauvignon .......I got all cozy'd up for dinner & took a sip of VINEGAR!!!!!! Jade,it was probably a year ago I last had a glass of wine,it was opened so long ago that it turned-lol

    Anyway,I don't see anything wrong with a glass of wine with dinner or a mixed drink at a cocktail party or a beer at a friends \house but to drink just for the sake of drinking ,,,,nope,no good.Yes Oakwood,I do think we should always be sober & alert

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.      1 Peter 5:8

                                                                                                                 With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

I would like to add that a person should really consider their reason for drinking,if they seem to think they need to unwind or relax I would say that reading Gods Word & meditating on the Lord and spending time with Him gives a much better Peace that surpasses all understanding without altering ones state of mind..................perhaps the spirit needs a little altering



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Years ago I would come home from work and start dinner after a very stressful day.I would have a glass of wine and then sit down to dinner feeling a little more relaxed.After a while that one glass of wine would not relax me as much as it used to.I would then have 1 1/2 glasses of wine while making dinner and then I would feel ok.After a while the 1 1/2 glasses of wine would not relax me so I would have two glasses of wine and then feel ok.After doing that for a couple of days I thought....."wait a minute here this is ridiculous I have a family what in the heck am I doing?".I did not do it again.



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The problem is that drinking opens a window for our spirit to be affected by the world. Examine your spirit before and after you drink and you'll see what I mean...I think.






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