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    • Sorry, but that doesn't wash: you're simply using "nationality" to try to disqualify anyone who disagrees with you from doing so. I know Scripture wasn't originally written by "anglo-saxons", but you also need to know that Scripture was written by several people inspired of God, including: - A transplanted Chaldean - A former Egyptian prince of Hebrew birth - A Hebrew court officer in Babylon - A Gentile physician So it wasn't all an "Israelite" show, but the common thread that tells the redemptive story and God's love for us weaves its' way through it all. And through that story, Scripture is clear on the fact that Israel and the Church have separate destinies. Not to mention you're picking one or two verses (instead of using whole passages) out of Scripture to make your points. What I see here though, is that you are trying to "linearly connect" the Church to Israel, thereby trying to claim to the promises the Lord made to Israel. That's called "replacement theology", and that kind of thinking is not only unscriptural, but coveting the blessing the Lord has given to another is a violation of two commandments: -You shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) - You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor (Exodus 20:17) The only one who has the right to the blessings of Israel is the modern-day nation of Israel. And the Lord will do that, after He has dealt with her in the Tribulation. The Church has a different destiny, as outlined in Scripture by Paul and by Jesus Himself. Israel and the Church are two separate entities,  and no amount of "cherry-picking" is going to change that on your part.  
    • So where in the bible does it say Jesus will bring souls with Him when He comes to rapture the church?
    • The subject is,where are the dead  Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern." Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it." No I don't believe in soul sleep Those who have died are in Heaven that's how Christ brings them back with Him,not because they were raptured Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:" Again these people died,they were not raptured   There's only two choices,you will either get sealed,or you will take the mark and believe the lie  
    • This is not the post I asked you to elaborate on but it's fine, we'll comment on this instead.  And where did you draw this conclusion from, watching other post-tribbers on CF commenting on 1 Thessalonians 4:14?  Let me also ask you this, do you believe in soulsleep?    
    • You asked how did people get to heaven,they get there at death that's how Christ brings them with Him when He returns not because they were raptured. Also where do you see the elect in Heaven?
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      Hey Shazza, I logged on Worthychat tonight and ran across a few of our threads here. Just remembering how we met on a Christian forum and started being penpals, got to meet in person and now have been friends these many years.  I thank God often for our friendship. GBU dear friend. 
       
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    • Saved.One.by.Grace

      I am being stalked (or trolled).  So I am cutting off all communication for awhile.  [I am somewhat paranoid about privacy.]  I am not leaving Worthy as I consider it HOME, or at the very least an extension of my home.  I consider most people here with the highest respect, whether I agree with them or not.   That doesn't always come across which is my fault.  My postings will be few and far between for awhile.  I have "un-followed" all content, shutoff followers (some time back), and disabled profile visitors.
      Thank you to those who have prayed for my bulging discs at C5, C6 and C7.  Your prayers have been most welcome.
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      12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.  
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